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Well,I've been attracted to women who might not traditionally be considered beautiful.(I have also had quite a few girlfriends,and sweethearts that definately were "lookers")...the point is,there has to be SOMETHING there that pulls me in.However,once we're actuallyon a date,if there's NO intellect,or something in our personalities clashes violently,it's all over.I would have to say a good match requires a measure of both.
I totally agree with you.


But here is where guys and gals differ. Ladies back me up here. Women will not usually approach a man who they consider better looking than themselves; where guys seem todo it all the time. What's that about? I honestly think to men, it's more important, that initial attraction, the physical beauty. I find with myself, the more I get to know a man, the more I am attracted to him-conversations, flirting, andhumor.
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Hi microbiologygeek ,


I agree with you, more important for me is intellectual connection. But also, there must be that something that makes me contact somebody. I have 'strange' taste in men (as the grand majority of my male and female friends say), but I think is because I need to have that intellectual connection. Unfortunately it is hard to find since it is not something you can 'see'.


But.. I do still think that person must 'do' something for you, some kind of gut level feeling that makes you want to know them.. it is not looks.. it is something undescribable.


I disagree. While I've heard the old adage of "Don't judge a book by it's cover" over and over, there ARE things you can pick up on. You can learn how to read people. Of course, you can't make more than a few generalizations off this, but you CAN tell quite a bit about someone just by looking at them. It's by no means fool-proof, which is why it's important to keep an open mind, but I have rarely been wrong. It's almost like a "Shallow Hal" type thing. I can look at a person, man or woman, and make some educated guesses about their personality, and I am usually right.





Most of it is in the body language, and the eyes. How the person is dressed can give you SOME clues about the person, i.e. how much they care about their appearance, their attitude (laid-back, etc)... but generally it's in the body language, and even in what they look like. Unpleasant as it is, the way people are treated, especially when young, is to some extent dictated by what they look like. And MOST people are affected by how others treat them/ act towards them.
I've said very similar things in other threads. I brought up that my experience in the mental health field allowed me to be able to read someone very quickly. People with trust issues give off certain clues as well as those who have bitterness and anger. So the whole notion of "chemistry" involves much more than physical appearance. If I sense someone has a variety of interpersonal issues that is going to make it difficult for them to enter into a successful relationship then there is not likely to be "chemistry" regardless of how attractive they might be.
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A man can be the MOST physically attractive creature on the planet, with the intellect to match, but if he doesn't LIKE women ...


There are a few of those in San Francisco and there's nothing wrong with that!!
That...is...hilarious!
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I guess I am ultimately 'waiting' for that CORRECT chemistry that not only 'clicks' but LOCKS . Like everyone. It hasn't happened YET, in totality, but here's ever hoping ...







Just don't throw away the key! LOL


Nice post, Pinz!
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I guess I am ultimately 'waiting' for that CORRECT chemistry that not only 'clicks' but LOCKS . Like everyone. It hasn't happened YET, in totality, but here's ever hoping ...











Just don't throw away the key! LOL


Nice post, Pinz!
... Thanks Lacy. ... aim to please ... and say it like I see it ...
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There isn't anything more disappointing than opening a beautiful box and finding it empty.


Clutter can be just as dissappointing...

Well dang! This is very bad news.If anyone in the history of the world had a cluttered mind it has to be me. But wait... can we distinguish between clutterthat is interesting,and clutter that is junk? Or am I just trying to be optimistic?
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For me, intellect and physical appearance are both important. If I was to judge how high my standards are for each, I would definitely say that intellect rates higher for me. Beauty fades, no matter what you do to try to keep it! Intellect may fade too, but at least the rate is slower.
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Well,I've been attracted to women who might not traditionally be considered beautiful.(I have also had quite a few girlfriends,and sweethearts that definately were "lookers")...the point is,there has to be SOMETHING there that pulls me in.However,once we're actuallyon a date,if there's NO intellect,or something in our personalities clashes violently,it's all over.I would have to say a good match requires a measure of both.


I totally agree with you.


But here is where guys and gals differ. Ladies back me up here. Women will not usually approach a man who they consider better looking than themselves; where guys seem todo it all the time. What's that about? I honestly think to men, it's more important, that initial attraction, the physical beauty. I find with myself, the more I get to know a man, the more I am attracted to him-conversations, flirting, andhumor.
Men get an ego boost from being with a woman who's more attractive, whereas women will become insecure if they're with a man who's more attractive. Many women are generally insecure about their looks as is.


To a certain point, the physical beauty is more important to men. But I also think that for women it's important that the man at least not be unattractive.
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Hi microbiologygeek ,


I agree with you, more important for me is intellectual connection. But also, there must be that something that makes me contact somebody. I have 'strange' taste in men (as the grand majority of my male and female friends say), but I think is because I need to have that intellectual connection. Unfortunately it is hard to find since it is not something you can 'see'.


But.. I do still think that person must 'do' something for you, some kind of gut level feeling that makes you want to know them.. it is not looks.. it is something undescribable.


I disagree. While I've heard the old adage of "Don't judge a book by it's cover" over and over, there ARE things you can pick up on. You can learn how to read people. Of course, you can't make more than a few generalizations off this, but you CAN tell quite a bit about someone just by looking at them. It's by no means fool-proof, which is why it's important to keep an open mind, but I have rarely been wrong. It's almost like a "Shallow Hal" type thing. I can look at a person, man or woman, and make some educated guesses about their personality, and I am usually right.





Most of it is in the body language, and the eyes. How the person is dressed can give you SOME clues about the person, i.e. how much they care about their appearance, their attitude (laid-back, etc)... but generally it's in the body language, and even in what they look like. Unpleasant as it is, the way people are treated, especially when young, is to some extent dictated by what they look like. And MOST people are affected by how others treat them/ act towards them.


I've said very similar things in other threads. I brought up that my experience in the mental health field allowed me to be able to read someone very quickly. People with trust issues give off certain clues as well as those who have bitterness and anger. So the whole notion of "chemistry" involves much more than physical appearance. If I sense someone has a variety of interpersonal issues that is going to make it difficult for them to enter into a successful relationship then there is not likely to be "chemistry" regardless of how attractive they might be.
I think I am like you (or what I think you are talking about). "Looks" are much less important to me than "appearance". Many people think various actresses are pretty and I can agree, but many of them don't look like people I could fall in love with. On the other hand, a lot of maybe
"average" looking women show themselves in a way that is quite attractive to me. It is the clues about themselves that they give off from their choice in clothes (and makeup), the way they carry themselves, their eye contact, and things like that. I also think that their intelligence can be assertained by their appearance to at least a small degree.


And, to me, intelligence is essential.


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Well,I've been attracted to women who might not traditionally be considered beautiful.(I have also had quite a few girlfriends,and sweethearts that definately were "lookers")...the point is,there has to be SOMETHING there that pulls me in.However,once we're actuallyon a date,if there's NO intellect,or something in our personalities clashes violently,it's all over.I would have to say a good match requires a measure of both.


I totally agree with you.


But here is where guys and gals differ. Ladies back me up here. Women will not usually approach a man who they consider better looking than themselves; where guys seem todo it all the time. What's that about? I honestly think to men, it's more important, that initial attraction, the physical beauty. I find with myself, the more I get to know a man, the more I am attracted to him-conversations, flirting, andhumor.


Men get an ego boost from being with a woman who's more attractive, whereas women will become insecure if they're with a man who's more attractive. Many women are generally insecure about their looks as is.


To a certain point, the physical beauty is more important to men. But I also think that for women it's important that the man at least not be unattractive .
If any of that were true, I'd've gotten a girlfriend ages ago. Looks are the clear winner in this battle, and I'm living (or rather, crash-and-burned half dead) proof of that. If a girl wanted me for my mind, it's likely that she's never seen my face before.


What do I look like, you ask? Well, let's just say I'm no Johnny Depp, and we;ll leave it at that.
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