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Pretty dang simple. Pitty parties are for losers. So the question is are you a loser or are you the guy who is going to (figuratively) go F the prom queen the prom queen who will be F'd?


Suck it up. COwboy up. Pick up your ruck and your weapon and get marching!


Reach down there. Feel those? The name starts with a B and ends with a -alls V and ends with a -hole. Truth be told, by some devine mystery, you have a pair entrance. Now act like it. Stop caring what other inferior people thing of you or your actions. Stop caring whether wo men accept your advances or not. You are a man. Talk to wo men, flirt, use the seemingly dumbass small talk one liners (which do work), build confidence and re-establish yourself.





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Pep taling a female is so much harder. You get the point. Sack up and act like an adult, unlike what I've done here.
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This is just a guess based on a common issue and my interpretation of the very limited information you provided, so if I'm wrong, ignore me (my usual disclaimer).


Are you trying too hard? Let me explain what I mean by that. I know you're upset about this situation right now so perhaps it's not always how you are but if you are taking your dates too seriously you may be running into a roadblock.


The stereotype is "men are afraid of commitment." As with most stereotypes there is a bit of truth hidden in there. It's not so much fear of commitment as fear of responsibility. Again, let me explain, as the terminology here has a lot of connotations that I'm not trying to get into.


When a girl comes on too strong it's a turnoff for guys. When women come on too strong it's usually not sexual, it's relational. It's like when a guy tries to feel you up too fast. Eventually you'll be OK with it (presumably). But early on it's creepy, uncomfortable, and makes you nervous.


He feels the same way when a girl starts indicating too much commitment to him. There's a balance here; flaunting the fact you're dating about 10 other guys at the same time is a big turnoff as well as he's not special, he's just another interviewee. But stay somewhat independent.


By that I don't mean "do your own thing and don't care about him." Again, balance. But going for a girl's night out or shopping with friends (or whatever you happen to enjoy for fun) every once and a while takes some of the pressure off him.


What do I mean by pressure? Girlfriends are great. Heck, they're wonderful. They are also, however, a lot of work. Yikes! He did not just say what I think he said!


Calm down. Keeping a woman happy is hard work (all the guys nod with me and all the girls get offended, whatever). There's a lot of time, effort, and money involved. I'm not saying it's not worth it. It's worth every bit and then some. The expenditure is still there, though.


Guys are fixers. We're problem solvers. It's part of our identities and it's pretty deeply ingrained. It's one of the reasons I'm addicted to these boards; it's a place for me to try and fix problems. We enjoy fixing your car, working on your computer, and otherwise helping you out. It fulfills a primitive need to help people that the majority of people possess at some level. Women have it too, don't get me wrong, but for men it's a different sort of fixing. A simple way (but not 100% accurate) way of thinking about it is that men fix things and women fix people. Take that how you will.


That effort is a responsibility. See, told you that earlier term would be explained! It's a responsibility we take seriously. We want you to be happy, and happy with us. It doesn't hurt when you help us out a little bit, however, by working to make yourself happy a little bit without us!


I sincerely doubt this guy found one thing you said and stopped calling because of it. More likely there was a gradual decline in your relationship and you, well, didn't notice it or ignored it. It happens to both men and women (in fact men are usually the culprits). Things were "going great" and then it just vanished. This is usually the result of one person having a glamorized view of the other person.


By "glamorized" I mean putting someone on a pedestal. To you he's the greatest guy ever. To him, though, he's just...him. He's a normal guy like anyone else. If a girl starts acting like you're the greatest guy ever he's going to wonder what guy you're looking at. He's going to start to wonder if you have an objective opinion or are just creating a built-up image that he's certain he can't live up to.


Nobody wants to be viewed like this (unless they're a narcissist, of course). He knows he can't live up to it and bows out. He'll smile and nod like everything's OK and spend less and less time with you until *poof* you never hear from him again. Sound familiar?


Men do like to be in charge. They like to make decisions and be looked to for advice. They don't, however, like to run other people's lives. It's enough work to run their own! In any relationship there must be a push and pull. If you agree with everything he says and never make any choices it's going to start falling apart. He'll never know if you have your own opinions and his interest will wane. We like strong women. We want to see the girl in our lives as an equal. Women often make the mistake that the one making the "big choices" is the "dominant" one. This isn't really true. People should compliment each other in a relationship. They both should make their own choices and be their own people...together. It's a delicate balance.


And that's what life is all about. Balance. Extremes are rarely, if ever, good. Even things like money or God, which are considered good things to have, are negative if put in the extremes (evil dictators and witch burners come to mind).


I'm not saying that you were being extreme; you didn't say much on your situation so I put in a lot of info hoping that some aspect would resonate with you and fit to your situation. I based it mostly on the sense that your last sentence seemed a bit desperate; desperation will come through to a guy and scare him off. He wants your love for who he really is, not because you're afraid to be alone and he's convenient. That's a harsh way of putting it but it's the truth . That's likely not what's going on in your head. But that's what he's scared of.


I'd suggest taking dating lightly. Have fun . Maybe I say that because I'm young but if you aren't enjoying yourself, frankly, what's the point? Fun is contagious. Enjoy yourself when you're around a guy and he'll enjoy being with you. That bond is stronger than any "romance" depressing Romeo and Juliet crap (everyone seems to forget that they die ). "Romantic comedies" work so well because romance should be fun .


If you aren't laughing, you aren't loving. That's not a quote, I just made it up, but I think it's true.


It's not as simple as seeing the glass as half empty or half full. If the stupid glass is half empty fill the darn thing up and nobody can see it as anything but what it is.


It just requires a bit more effort =).


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I just wanted to write and say that I think that your response is great! I think as women we all make dating mistakes at times (I think I am going through a string of mistakes...) and we just have to pick our best selves up and move forward. I really like hearing a male persepective on this.


My issue is that I don't really like dating mutliple guys at once. This was not the "done thing" in the country that I grew up in and I still feel a little awkward about it. hence, the result is you focus too much on one guy. Any suggestions??


take care,


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DDjr wrote :
For matches that you get to Open Communications with, are you driving toward a real life meeting? I have seen a lot of people make the mistake of not focusing on "establish a meeting"! Everything before that is NOTHING.
Everything before thatinfluenceshowsmoothly your real life meeting willgo,and perhaps whether you'll have a meeting at all.
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I think women gets discouraged from online dating a lot easier than men. As men, we are used to a lot more rejection. I mean most of the time try to chat up some woman we are rejected. It's like the 10% of the time where we aren't that makes us keep trying.


A lot of women on the other hand sit back and allow men to make the moves, since it is easier that way... I remember how hard it was to try again after getting rejected a number of times, but you can learn to get used to it... and that's my cynical viewpoint
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As men, we are used to a lot more rejection. I mean most of the time try to chat up some woman we are rejected. It's like the 10% of the time where we aren't that makes us keep trying.
Some men aresuccessful with women and someareunskilledso it might bebetter for you todescribe your experiences approaching women and let each man speak for himself.
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You just do. Persistence is the important key. I think, what you need to do 99, is remember that eveyrone is different, in some ways and stop expecting failure. Also try other men who have a profile on eharmony and other sites. Shotbycupid.com is very good!
- April 2nd, 2009, 01:15 pm
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jny wrote :

Hey there


I just wanted to write and say that I think that your response is great! I think as women we all make dating mistakes at times (I think I am going through a string of mistakes...) and we just have to pick our best selves up and move forward. I really like hearing a male persepective on this.


My issue is that I don't really like dating mutliple guys at once. This was not the "done thing" in the country that I grew up in and I still feel a little awkward about it. hence, the result is you focus too much on one guy. Any suggestions??


take care,


J
I always have suggestions. I can't guarentee they're good ones =).


I don't like dating multiple women, either. Keeping one happy is enough work. Trying to keep track of more than one at a time would drive me insane!


You don't have to date multiple people just to avoid focusing too much on one guy. Use other things to get your focus off. You know, like hobbies, hanging out with female friends, having fun. If a guy starts to sense that your happiness is based entirely on him he'll get nervous. That's a pretty stressful standard to live up to!


This works both ways. People are attracted to others who have interesting and exciting lives. It's why guys tell you that story about the time they saved a baby from a burning building by bungee jumping to the basement. Perhaps they'll even show off through massive amounts of alliteration. You know, to see if you're alliterate! (that was bad, I know)


The point is that if you demonstrate that you enjoy your life and yet still give him a place in it he'll be much more drawn to you. It takes a lot of stress off when you know you can go have fun with your buddies and she won't be secretly upset with you for having fun without her. If she has the independence necessary to just go and have fun on her own you can really relax and enjoy yourself instead of worrying about the angry looks when you next see her. Most importantly, it takes off a lot of the guilt.


Nobody wants to feel guilty in a relationship. When women base their happiness on you any time you aren't making them happy it makes you feel guilty about it. They don't help with their behavior. You aren't as sneaky as you think you are, we can usually tell when you're upset. We just either ignore it or pretend like we don't notice because we haven't figured out why yet.


So the gradual fading away (or sudden) happens when the stress of dealing with the guilt, stress, and effort a man puts into a relationship becomes more than the happiness she brings him. Yeah, yeah, that sounds all mathematical, and it's not quite that cut and dry, but that's the idea. Being with such a girl becomes a chore. It's work. It's not fun.


So we start to try and find fun elsewhere, through hanging out with buddies, purposefully avoiding going home or her calls, other women, pornography, addictions...whatever. Men deal with stress by pushing it away until they can get a perspective on it and create a plan to deal with it. When a girlfriend becomes the stress he pushes her away. I know that sounds awful. It's true, though.


The sad part is women misinterpet this. They can't imagine the stress they bring to their man and want to talk it out. It's how they would deal with the stress; they'd go and talk about it with friends or family. Since one of the issues is that her boyfriend is her main friend she naturally wants to talk to him about it. Which adds to his stress. Which makes him pull away.


Now she's convinced he doesn't like her. She's not his friend because a friend would talk to her about it. What does he really think about me? Nobody who loved me could possibly give me the "silent treatment!" I have to fix this! If only he'd stop pushing me away...which then turns into it being his fault. Everything is his fault. Nothing is wrong with me. He's cheating on me. He's found some girl who doesn't have thing wrong with her like I do. That ! She's seducing my man and that idiot is falling for it!


Then she continues pushing closer and closer which only makes him push farther and farther away. He doesn't have a clue she's freaking about another girl; to him he just wants some time to figure it out. Her subtle accusations and anger hurt him because he's trying to fix the problem for her and yet she somehow thinks it's all his fault. Is it my fault? Did I do something to make her angry? Can I fix this?


Then he feels guilty again and the situation worsens. The cycle continues until both would rather just break it off and move on rather then dealing with this pain and confusion. And both are surprised when the same cycle repeats in new relationships over, and over, and over.


So what's the solution? Well, one thing that helps is knowledge . Learn a bit about the other gender. If you were to live in another country you'd probably try to learn some of their customs and language. Yet we think we can just be "ourselves" with the opposite gender and communicate just fine. It doesn't work that way.


My advice for women would be to give a man space. To use one of my favorite quotes "If you love something, set it free, if it doesn't return to you, it was never yours anyway." Most men will be very grateful for the space. If you know he's got some big outing planned with the guys and you don't want to go find something you want to do with your friends for the same time period.


Likewise don't use guilt as your weapon to get him to behave how you want. Appeal to his nature. What do I mean by that?


Men are fixers. Problem solvers. We fix things, be it our work, our gadgets, ourselves, math problems...you name it everything to us is a problem that we need to solve. We revel in fixing problems. It's fun for us. It's not frustrating; it's soothing. Relaxing. Chess, watching sports, working on cars; we're solving problems. For chess we're solving how to defeat our opponent. Watching sports you'll often hear guys analyze the plays, the calls, the formations; we try to outsmart the people on the field with what they should have done. Working on mechanical objects is another problem to be solved; how to get it from not working to working.


Use it. Not in a bad way. But if doing something for you is solving a problem for you most guys will spend hours working on it. They will put all their time and energy into solving your problem. How can you use this?


If your guy is pushing away from you and you don't know why tell him your problem. Don't make the problem him. This is important. He can't just fix himself. But if your problem is loneliness he can fix that. If your problem is boredom he can fix that. If your problem is not enough sex he can definitely fix that .


Make being around you as stress free as you can. Even if you really must get out stuff about your day if you see him pushing away give it a bit of time. Once he winds down a bit he'll probably be more than willing to listen to you. Let him know what you expect. If you want him to just listen without offering advice tell him that. Please, oh please, this drives me nuts.


Remember how guys are problem solvers? You start telling him about your day and he tries to solve it. He'll give you advice that you probably don't want. You just want to tell him about it and want him to listen. To understand. So you get annoyed and tell him that you don't want his advice.


Bad idea. This is a deep insult. When someone asks a guy for advice it's a huge honor. It's praise of his skill. By dismissing that advice you basically just called him incompetant. You don't give a crap about his idea, and by extension, what he thinks. Notice how he'll get really cold right after? That's why.


If you let him know in advance that you aren't asking for advice but just want to let it out, to vent (so to speak), and you just want to tell him without interruption he'll likely do exactly that. And be happy with it. He no longer has to figure it out. He knows what to do. We like problems with easy solutions =).


This is why we shop in the most efficient way possible, using the least amount of time, why we try and find the optimal route to and from a location no matter how complex, why we build crap all over the house that as far as you can tell serves no purpose and why we'll buy pointless stuff like watches that tell the phases of the moon or GPSes when you already know the way. We like figuring the stuff out and using it to solve problems.


Anyway, that really doesn't relate specifically to your question. Just be sure to keep yourself occupied without the guy you're dating and you won't focus too much on the one guy. Honestly dating multiple guys is risky by itself; many guys (myself included) start moving away from a woman that's overly involved with other men. It's too much competition for one and makes it very difficult to trust her intentions. Then again I've been involved with women who dated me while going steady with other men so perhaps I'm a bit overly wary of such things. That depends on the guy.


Hope that helps.
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I believe that your sense of despration is showing through your play acting. What part do you play in this drama? Try looking for a friend to share activities with. What activities do you participate in?


Try more things and you will meet new people, Sit by the computer and you will be bored to death.





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Jacquesne wrote :


This is just a guess based on a common issue and my interpretation of the very limited information you provided, so if I'm wrong, ignore me (my usual disclaimer).


Are you trying too hard? Let me explain what I mean by that. I know you're upset about this situation right now so perhaps it's not always how you are but if you are taking your dates too seriously you may be running into a roadblock.


The stereotype is "men are afraid of commitment." As with most stereotypes there is a bit of truth hidden in there. It's not so much fear of commitment as fear of responsibility. Again, let me explain, as the terminology here has a lot of connotations that I'm not trying to get into.


When a girl comes on too strong it's a turnoff for guys. When women come on too strong it's usually not sexual, it's relational. It's like when a guy tries to feel you up too fast. Eventually you'll be OK with it (presumably). But early on it's creepy, uncomfortable, and makes you nervous.


He feels the same way when a girl starts indicating too much commitment to him. There's a balance here; flaunting the fact you're dating about 10 other guys at the same time is a big turnoff as well as he's not special, he's just another interviewee. But stay somewhat independent.


By that I don't mean "do your own thing and don't care about him." Again, balance. But going for a girl's night out or shopping with friends (or whatever you happen to enjoy for fun) every once and a while takes some of the pressure off him.


What do I mean by pressure? Girlfriends are great. Heck, they're wonderful. They are also, however, a lot of work. Yikes! He did not just say what I think he said!


Calm down. Keeping a woman happy is hard work (all the guys nod with me and all the girls get offended, whatever). There's a lot of time, effort, and money involved. I'm not saying it's not worth it. It's worth every bit and then some. The expenditure is still there, though.


Guys are fixers. We're problem solvers. It's part of our identities and it's pretty deeply ingrained. It's one of the reasons I'm addicted to these boards; it's a place for me to try and fix problems. We enjoy fixing your car, working on your computer, and otherwise helping you out. It fulfills a primitive need to help people that the majority of people possess at some level. Women have it too, don't get me wrong, but for men it's a different sort of fixing. A simple way (but not 100% accurate) way of thinking about it is that men fix things and women fix people. Take that how you will.


That effort is a responsibility. See, told you that earlier term would be explained! It's a responsibility we take seriously. We want you to be happy, and happy with us. It doesn't hurt when you help us out a little bit, however, by working to make yourself happy a little bit without us!


I sincerely doubt this guy found one thing you said and stopped calling because of it. More likely there was a gradual decline in your relationship and you, well, didn't notice it or ignored it. It happens to both men and women (in fact men are usually the culprits). Things were "going great" and then it just vanished. This is usually the result of one person having a glamorized view of the other person.


By "glamorized" I mean putting someone on a pedestal. To you he's the greatest guy ever. To him, though, he's just...him. He's a normal guy like anyone else. If a girl starts acting like you're the greatest guy ever he's going to wonder what guy you're looking at. He's going to start to wonder if you have an objective opinion or are just creating a built-up image that he's certain he can't live up to.


Nobody wants to be viewed like this (unless they're a narcissist, of course). He knows he can't live up to it and bows out. He'll smile and nod like everything's OK and spend less and less time with you until *poof* you never hear from him again. Sound familiar?


Men do like to be in charge. They like to make decisions and be looked to for advice. They don't, however, like to run other people's lives. It's enough work to run their own! In any relationship there must be a push and pull. If you agree with everything he says and never make any choices it's going to start falling apart. He'll never know if you have your own opinions and his interest will wane. We like strong women. We want to see the girl in our lives as an equal. Women often make the mistake that the one making the "big choices" is the "dominant" one. This isn't really true. People should compliment each other in a relationship. They both should make their own choices and be their own people...together. It's a delicate balance.


And that's what life is all about. Balance. Extremes are rarely, if ever, good. Even things like money or God, which are considered good things to have, are negative if put in the extremes (evil dictators and witch burners come to mind).


I'm not saying that you were being extreme; you didn't say much on your situation so I put in a lot of info hoping that some aspect would resonate with you and fit to your situation. I based it mostly on the sense that your last sentence seemed a bit desperate; desperation will come through to a guy and scare him off. He wants your love for who he really is, not because you're afraid to be alone and he's convenient. That's a harsh way of putting it but it's the truth . That's likely not what's going on in your head. But that's what he's scared of.


I'd suggest taking dating lightly. Have fun . Maybe I say that because I'm young but if you aren't enjoying yourself, frankly, what's the point? Fun is contagious. Enjoy yourself when you're around a guy and he'll enjoy being with you. That bond is stronger than any "romance" depressing Romeo and Juliet crap (everyone seems to forget that they die ). "Romantic comedies" work so well because romance should be fun .


If you aren't laughing, you aren't loving. That's not a quote, I just made it up, but I think it's true.


It's not as simple as seeing the glass as half empty or half full. If the stupid glass is half empty fill the darn thing up and nobody can see it as anything but what it is.


It just requires a bit more effort =).


Jacquesne


That is the mindest and best definition of men I have ever read. You are really good at explaining relationships. That is some of the best dating advice I have ever read and help me understand men a little bit better.
I did find in my last relationship that I did smother him too much. I am still regretting this. Sometimes I do want to give up, but I don't want to be alone. So, I keep telling myself that God has someone special waiting for me. This last comment was wonderful about what men want and need.
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I joined eharmony and met someone I THOUGHT was great. It was the first time I really liked anyone in over 2 years. He turned out to be a jerk who just wanted to play games. I apparently sadi something that he misunderstood and he just stopped talking to me. How do you keep going failure after failure after failure? I'm an only child with no children. My mother is all the family I have. I don't want to end up alone and it looks like that's where I'm headed..
I have not met anyone but thinking of really looking. I have a man in my life I thought would work out. He has apparently some personality disorder and anger management issues. I am so dissapointed. I too meet only men with some prolems. All my relationships have been similar, and I have left most. (about 4 and I am 50+) The rest of my life is quite normal. I too am an only child and both parents are gone. I have 2 children who live away from home. I dont want to be alone and want to feel I am special to someone (this is normal I think) I seem to pick the wrong ones. This didnt help you perhaps but we can talk about it. You are probably a lot younger and can find a solutionl. good luck. 1365LesJeff
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