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After reading (and participating) in other "nice guy" threads. I decided to start my own. Women say they want nice guys. They ask "Where are all the nice guys?" Meanwhile, the so-called "nice guys" complain that women only want to be their friends. They complain about women saying that they want nice guys, but then date "jerks". So, what gives? My premise is that so-called "nice guys" are NOT "nice". They are not nice because they have the following bad traits:


1. They are manipulative.


2. They are fundamentally dishonest.


3. They are weak.


4. They are smothering.


5. They are boring.


6. They are lifeless.


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Until they’re successful. Then they’re married.



Women have plenty of examples of the kind of nice guys they want.







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I have a comment.


I'm one of the "nice" guys, and the only attribute I have of those that you listed is that I'm boring.


But, I'm not one of the "nice" guys that whine a lot. So maybe you're just drawing your conclusions from listening to whiners.
- February 27th, 2009, 05:40 pm
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D_Lion wrote :




Until they’re successful. Then they’re married.


Women have plenty of examples of the kind of nice guys they want.







Not sure what you mean by "successful".
- February 27th, 2009, 05:42 pm
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zal, wrote :

After reading (and participating) in other "nice guy" threads. I decided to start my own. Women say they want nice guys. They ask "Where are all the nice guys?" Meanwhile, the so-called "nice guys" complain that women only want to be their friends. They complain about women saying that they want nice guys, but then date "jerks". So, what gives? My premise is that so-called "nice guys" are NOT "nice". They are not nice because they have the following bad traits:


1. They are manipulative.


2. They are fundamentally dishonest.


3. They are weak.


4. They are smothering.


5. They are boring.


6. They are lifeless.


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That's a perfect description of my ex-husband!! :P


I thought I was smarter than everyone else by marrying the 'nice guy' that everyone else just put in the friend zone. Boy did I learn my lesson.


In my experience, 'nice guys' are frequently people pleasers, and the traits you describe are essentially traits of people-pleasers. 'Nice guys' are the male equivalent of women 'martyrs'. In both cases, they can be 'boring' and 'lifeless' because they've been preoccupied with gaining approval from others and haven't taken the time to actually define who they are, and to develop their own ineterests and personality. They end up being dishonest, because they are overly motivated by what others think, rather than an internal moral barometer, and so what they think and who they are will change depending on who they are around. They are 'shapeshifters' of sorts, and lack consistency and integrity.


They are smothering because their sense of self is dependent on others rather than themselves. Actually, smothering might not be the best term - a friend of mine who used to be a 'nice guy' now refers to his people-pleasing past as 'approval sucking'. So maybe it's more accurate to say they are suckers/emotional leeches rather than smotherers.


That's been my experience anyway. And it's why I now look for good men rather than nice guys - men with a strong moral compass, men with integrity and consistency, men with clear and healthy boundaris, men who are capable of feeling, men who are able to give freely, and who are respectful of themselves and others. There is a huge difference between the two. And it's a difference that you can feel when you're around them, even though on the surface it maight look similar. One gives off a vibe of 'please like me'. The other gives off a vibe of quiet and respectful confidence. They don't have to do anything to 'make you like them.' Who they are is likeable.
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RobInPlano wrote :

I have a comment.


I'm one of the "nice" guys, and the only attribute I have of those that you listed is that I'm boring.


But, I'm not one of the "nice" guys that whine a lot. So maybe you're just drawing your conclusions from listening to whiners.
I didn't say they whine.
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zal wrote :

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Until they’re successful. Then they’re married.


Women have plenty of examples of the kind of nice guys they want.











Not sure what you mean by "successful".
They successfully navigated “dating” by entering a relationship culminating in marriage.


Yes, the other kind of “successful” is important too.
- February 27th, 2009, 05:49 pm
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zal, I have been saying that for a long, long time.....more often than not....the "nice" guy, is really not that nice. And it just confuses the whole issue. I find the "manipulative" one to ring the most true in my experience.
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said it before, I'll say it again....


If a man tells me "I'm a nice guy" he likely isn't. If he begins a sentence with, "trust me......" he likely can't be trusted.


Be charming. We rely on your actions, for your actions speaks volumes.


It's quite simple
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D_Lion wrote :




Until they’re successful. Then they’re married.


Women have plenty of examples of the kind of nice guys they want.





As a divorcee of "nice guy" I would have to agree with the originator of this post. I don't want a nice guy, I want a great guy.


1. They are smothering. I married one that once we were together, pushed me into not seeing my friends or family, my attention had to be on him 24/7


2. they are weak: I agree. my particular mr nice guy often complained before we were together of the old adage "nice guys finish last." he also complained about a lot of other things in his life, but seldom did anything to change them. he held others at fault for his problems.


Finally my Mr Nice Guy eventually cheated as soon as he found another girl willing to have him. Despite complaining that girls always went for jerks, he was quick to become the type of guy he supossedly loathed the second he had the chance. I learned my lesson: I don't want someone who "says" he is a nice guy. I want a guy that I know is a GREAT guy.


While there are nice guys out there, I think that most guys who call themselves nice are not. A truly wonderful person will recognize that he has flaws, and so do I. He will love me anyway, and not try to change me, but ask me to grow with him. It's not to say that nice guys don't exist, but the slef-proclaimed ones seldom are.
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