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zal wrote :

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I have a comment.


I'm one of the "nice" guys, and the only attribute I have of those that you listed is that I'm boring.


But, I'm not one of the "nice" guys that whine a lot. So maybe you're just drawing your conclusions from listening to whiners.


I didn't say they whine.
No, you didn't. I just figure someone who whines a lot is likely to be the guy posting on internetboardscomplaining about women going for jerks.


You are drawing your conclusions from a very limited sample.
- February 27th, 2009, 05:52 pm
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... And it's why I now look for good men rather than nice guys - men with a strong moral compass, men with integrity and consistency, men with clear and healthy boundaris, men who are capable of feeling, men who are able to give freely, and who are respectful of themselves and others. There is a huge difference between the two. And it's a difference that you can feel when you're around them, even though on the surface it maight look similar. One gives off a vibe of 'please like me'. The other gives off a vibe of quiet and respectful confidence. They don't have to do anything to 'make you like them.' Who they are is likeable.
It seems, I have an incorrect understanding of the term “nice guy,” though I thought otherwise until a moment ago.


Please mentally edit my previous post on your own.
- February 27th, 2009, 05:52 pm
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peg099 wrote :

zal, wrote :


After reading (and participating) in other "nice guy" threads. I decided to start my own. Women say they want nice guys. They ask "Where are all the nice guys?" Meanwhile, the so-called "nice guys" complain that women only want to be their friends. They complain about women saying that they want nice guys, but then date "jerks". So, what gives? My premise is that so-called "nice guys" are NOT "nice". They are not nice because they have the following bad traits:


1. They are manipulative.


2. They are fundamentally dishonest.


3. They are weak.


4. They are smothering.


5. They are boring.


6. They are lifeless.


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That's a perfect description of my ex-husband!! :P


I thought I was smarter than everyone else by marrying the 'nice guy' that everyone else just put in the friend zone. Boy did I learn my lesson.


In my experience, 'nice guys' are frequently people pleasers, and the traits you describe are essentially traits of people-pleasers. 'Nice guys' are the male equivalent of women 'martyrs'. In both cases, they can be 'boring' and 'lifeless' because they've been preoccupied with gaining approval from others and haven't taken the time to actually define who they are, and to develop their own ineterests and personality. They end up being dishonest, because they are overly motivated by what others think, rather than an internal moral barometer, and so what they think and who they are will change depending on who they are around. They are 'shapeshifters' of sorts, and lack consistency and integrity.


They are smothering because their sense of self is dependent on others rather than themselves. Actually, smothering might not be the best term - a friend of mine who used to be a 'nice guy' now refers to his people-pleasing past as 'approval sucking'. So maybe it's more accurate to say they are suckers/emotional leeches rather than smotherers.


That's been my experience anyway. And it's why I now look for good men rather than nice guys - men with a strong moral compass, men with integrity and consistency, men with clear and healthy boundaris, men who are capable of feeling, men who are able to give freely, and who are respectful of themselves and others. There is a huge difference between the two. And it's a difference that you can feel when you're around them, even though on the surface it maight look similar. One gives off a vibe of 'please like me'. The other gives off a vibe of quiet and respectful confidence. They don't have to do anything to 'make you like them.' Who they are is likeable.
BAMM! Once again, on the same page. How do you do it?
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zal, wrote :

After reading (and participating) in other "nice guy" threads. I decided to start my own. Women say they want nice guys. They ask "Where are all the nice guys?" Meanwhile, the so-called "nice guys" complain that women only want to be their friends. They complain about women saying that they want nice guys, but then date "jerks". So, what gives? My premise is that so-called "nice guys" are NOT "nice". They are not nice because they have the following bad traits:


1. They are manipulative.


2. They are fundamentally dishonest.


3. They are weak.


4. They are smothering.


5. They are boring.


6. They are lifeless.


Any comments?

yeah, I have no idea what women are talking about when they say "nice guy". But for whatever definition they use, they seem to not want to be around them.
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peg099 wrote :

zal, wrote :


After reading (and participating) in other "nice guy" threads. I decided to start my own. Women say they want nice guys. They ask "Where are all the nice guys?" Meanwhile, the so-called "nice guys" complain that women only want to be their friends. They complain about women saying that they want nice guys, but then date "jerks". So, what gives? My premise is that so-called "nice guys" are NOT "nice". They are not nice because they have the following bad traits:


1. They are manipulative.


2. They are fundamentally dishonest.


3. They are weak.


4. They are smothering.


5. They are boring.


6. They are lifeless.


Any comments?





That's a perfect description of my ex-husband!! :P


I thought I was smarter than everyone else by marrying the 'nice guy' that everyone else just put in the friend zone. Boy did I learn my lesson.


In my experience, 'nice guys' are frequently people pleasers, and the traits you describe are essentially traits of people-pleasers. 'Nice guys' are the male equivalent of women 'martyrs'. In both cases, they can be 'boring' and 'lifeless' because they've been preoccupied with gaining approval from others and haven't taken the time to actually define who they are, and to develop their own ineterests and personality. They end up being dishonest, because they are overly motivated by what others think, rather than an internal moral barometer, and so what they think and who they are will change depending on who they are around. They are 'shapeshifters' of sorts, and lack consistency and integrity.


They are smothering because their sense of self is dependent on others rather than themselves. Actually, smothering might not be the best term - a friend of mine who used to be a 'nice guy' now refers to his people-pleasing past as 'approval sucking'. So maybe it's more accurate to say they are suckers/emotional leeches rather than smotherers.


That's been my experience anyway. And it's why I now look for good men rather than nice guys - men with a strong moral compass, men with integrity and consistency, men with clear and healthy boundaris, men who are capable of feeling, men who are able to give freely, and who are respectful of themselves and others. There is a huge difference between the two. And it's a difference that you can feel when you're around them, even though on the surface it maight look similar. One gives off a vibe of 'please like me'. The other gives off a vibe of quiet and respectful confidence. They don't have to do anything to 'make you like them.' Who they are is likeable.
I know exactly how you feel and I completely concur.
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RobInPlano wrote :

I have a comment.


I'm one of the "nice" guys, and the only attribute I have of those that you listed is that I'm boring.


But, I'm not one of the "nice" guys that whine a lot. So maybe you're just drawing your conclusions from listening to whiners.
Rob, you may be closer to being a good man than a nice guy. I'd say work on the boring and you're all set
- February 27th, 2009, 06:01 pm
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zal, wrote :


After reading (and participating) in other "nice guy" threads. I decided to start my own. Women say they want nice guys. They ask "Where are all the nice guys?" Meanwhile, the so-called "nice guys" complain that women only want to be their friends. They complain about women saying that they want nice guys, but then date "jerks". So, what gives? My premise is that so-called "nice guys" are NOT "nice". They are not nice because they have the following bad traits:


1. They are manipulative.


2. They are fundamentally dishonest.


3. They are weak.


4. They are smothering.


5. They are boring.


6. They are lifeless.


Any comments?





yeah, I have no idea what women are talking about when they say "nice guy". But for whatever definition they use, they seem to not want to be around them.
As I mentioned, we don't want someone who say they are a nice guy, we want a guy that is. And when the first words out of your mouth are "i'm a nice guy" thats a lie. Everyone screws up, everyone does things that are not nice. Saying that you are a nice guy is a line. a way to maipulate a woman into trusting you. If you are really a good person, who deserves our time, let us figure it out, we're smart. If you are as nice as you say you are, we'll catch on, we're not dumb.
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Well Man-hater, I've got news for you. Women are stupid. When the economy is doing well, women want guys who are ten years younger than they are, the guys must have six pack abs, and, get this, have a six figure salary. And guess what - since the economy has tanked - you SKANKY BIMBOS want MORE! Never mind that no one has a job these days (including you gold-digging, skanky bimbos).


I love the new ignore feature. It works well with the report abuse feature.
The best part is that zal the 'skanky bimbo' is actually male...
- February 27th, 2009, 06:05 pm
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peg099 wrote :

RobInPlano wrote :


I have a comment.


I'm one of the "nice" guys, and the only attribute I have of those that you listed is that I'm boring.


But, I'm not one of the "nice" guys that whine a lot. So maybe you're just drawing your conclusions from listening to whiners.


Rob, you may be closer to being a good man than a nice guy. I'd say work on the boring and you're all set
Of course it's always possible that I have the "dishonest" attribute, and I lied about the rest
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RobInPlano wrote :

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RobInPlano wrote :


I have a comment.


I'm one of the "nice" guys, and the only attribute I have of those that you listed is that I'm boring.


But, I'm not one of the "nice" guys that whine a lot. So maybe you're just drawing your conclusions from listening to whiners.


Rob, you may be closer to being a good man than a nice guy. I'd say work on the boring and you're all set


Of course it's always possible that I have the "dishonest" attribute, and I lied about the rest
well at least you can admit to your possible flaws, I agree more good guy than nice guy.


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