Do men avoid starting relationships around Valentine's Day?


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DearJohn is offline DearJohn Post #61  February 17,2009, 5:56pm
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obliviouschick,492125 wrote :


Bottom line...men flake, and I'm so over it.


Tell you what, rather than a holiday where men are suppose to take a woman out to a restaurant and buy her a present in order to show her how 'special' he thinks she is, we instead invent an holiday where a woman cleans a man's house top to bottom, does all his laundry, and irons all of his shirts in order to show him how special she thinks she is.


Then, we'll investigate how much women start 'flaking'.


Btw gals, medium starch for my shirts, please.
 
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obliviouschick,492125 wrote :


Bottom line...men flake, and I'm so over it.


Tell you what, rather than a holiday where men are suppose to take a woman out to a restaurant and buy her a present in order to show her how 'special' he thinks she is, we instead invent an holiday where a woman cleans a man's house top to bottom, does all his laundry, and irons all of his shirts in order to show him how special she thinks she is.


Then, we'll investigate how much women start 'flaking'.


Btw gals, medium starch for my shirts, please.
Pardon you. You are chiming in on a part of the converstion that makes no mention of what a guy is supposed to do for a woman on Valentine's Day. We were discussing common courtesy of cluing the other person in on where they stand with you and not leaving someone in the lurch. And no one has said a damn thing about men displaying how special he thinks a woman is on Valentine's Day. This thread was intially started to simply ask the question if mem do avoid the day...and most have said, yes they do.


And no, not all of us womenexpect presents and fancy dinners on V-Day. And in regards to your sexist viewpoint, I'm sure women contribute plenty to the economy on Valentine's Day, just as men do.
 
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Lol DearJohn, there is no need for a holiday lie that you want to know why? That is called everyday life for women lmfao. Some call it marriage. Men need to clean the house top to bottom and do the laundry. I'm sure us women could use a break from that. You will never see me doing that for a man. That is not showing someone they're special that is just chores. That's what men think we should do. Some women are just like men. I feel like the bad guys and the bad gals should find each other. Instead of the good girl or guy getting hurt by the bad ones. I want you to show men a man that cleans a woman's house from top to bottom and does her laundry. I though all men were capable of was lingerie, chocolates, flowers and dinner. Then expecting something sexual at the end of the night. If that is it you can save it I can treat myself much better than that Thank you very much, but No thanks. If men are such chickens on Valentine's Day I have news for you. Some of us women aren't crazy about Valentine's either. I rather have dinner in and watch a movie.


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obliviouschick,492242 wrote :


DearJohn,492211 wrote :


obliviouschick,492125 wrote :


Bottom line...men flake, and I'm so over it.


Tell you what, rather than a holiday where men are suppose to take a woman out to a restaurant and buy her a present in order to show her how 'special' he thinks she is, we instead invent an holiday where a woman cleans a man's house top to bottom, does all his laundry, and irons all of his shirts in order to show him how special she thinks she is.


Then, we'll investigate how much women start 'flaking'.


Btw gals, medium starch for my shirts, please.


Pardon you. You are chiming in on a part of the converstion that makes no mention of what a guy is supposed to do for a woman on Valentine's Day. We were discussing common courtesy of cluing the other person in on where they stand with you and not leaving someone in the lurch. And no one has said a damn thing about men displaying how special he thinks a woman is on Valentine's Day. This thread was intially started to simply ask the question if mem do avoid the day...and most have said, yes they do.


And no, not all of us womenexpect presents and fancy dinners on V-Day. And in regards to your sexist viewpoint, I'm sure women contribute plenty to the economy on Valentine's Day, just as men do.

Pardon you, I am responding in a thread that included the text, "This is an excellent question and I'm extremely eager to hear as many brutally honest and unabashed answers from as many men as possible. Watching this thread like a hawk. C'mon, guys, please let 'er rip ..."


As such, I don't appreciate at all your heavy-handed attempt to dominate discourse and tell me what I may or may not discuss related to the issue at hand.


And, while we're discussing my "sexist viewpoint", I'll also add that typically women manipulate the behavior of others through the use of words of disapprobation (like "that's sexist!") in attempts to shame and guilt others into compliance with their demands and expectations. (Men, conversely, more typically attempt to manipulate others through rule making and threats of consequences for rule-breakings.)


However, as I've said elsewhere, there is nothing wrong with sexism to whatever degree men and women are legitimately different. And, as long as there are stereotypical women like yourself behaving in predictable stereotypically ways (like trying to manipulate me though shame), sexism will be a particularly useful (and appropriate) form of sensible discrimination.


I'm also quite sure that women contribute plenty to the economy on Valentine's Day. In my experience, a woman will spend quite a bit of money on stupid things that I don't need, don't really want, and could easily live without -- which, of course, thus increases her expectations of how I should be reciprocating in kind (with things I don't need to buy, don't really want to buy, and could easily live without buying for her).


Also, lots of women say they don't expect presents and fancy dinners, and maybe even mean it... until after Valentine's Day when they get together with their girlfriends and sisters and hear about how those women's boyfriends did this and that fabulous thing, then suddenly (when your behavior undercuts the often all-important female need to jockey for status among other women), the tune quickly changes.


Anyway, I hope you enjoy some of my "brutally honest and unabashed answers" of why I ignore any flirting I receive from Feb 1 until 12:01AM Feb 15 (when the coast is finally clear).
 
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Well it looks to me like you have some things to discuss with the females you date. If she is buying you things, that are not you then you need to talk to her about it not us. Not come to us like we're the ones who did you wrong. Oblivious and I were discussing how guys like to avoid dating during Valentine's day. How they rather break off the relationship. It has nothing to do at all with you saying maybe we should clean all day and do laundry. Your comment was rude to be honest.





The one thing I hate about men is that they love to group the women they have been with in one category, like we are all the same. We're not all alike, there's some women out there that are good and unique. Just because you have been with women like that doesn't mean you should judge us all. Just because you had bad experiences with women you dated on Valentine's Day buying you crappy things, you felt obligated to interrupt our peaceful chat involving an issue we both have in common. No one would love to see you telling women to clean all day and do your laundry as if that is our duty. Then trying to be cute and say you like extra starch please save that for the women you date.


This is her message that she posted anyways...how rude...


Complaining about crappy Valentine's Day gifts is sad, you should just be happy someone thought enough of you to get you anything.
 
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Imcrazy,492797 wrote :




Well it looks to me like you have some things to discuss with the females you date. If she is buying you things, that are not you then you need to talk to her about it not us. Not come to us like we're the ones who did you wrong. Oblivious and I were discussing how guys like to avoid dating during Valentine's day. How they rather break off the relationship. It has nothing to do at all with you saying maybe we should clean all day and do laundry. Your comment was rude to be honest.





The one thing I hate about men is that they love to group the women they have been with in one category, like we are all the same. We're not all alike, there's some women out there that are good and unique. Just because you have been with women like that doesn't mean you should judge us all. Just because you had bad experiences with women you dated on Valentine's Day buying you crappy things, you felt obligated to interrupt our peaceful chat involving an issue we both have in common. No one would love to see you telling women to clean all day and do your laundry as if that is our duty. Then trying to be cute and say you like extra starch please save that for the women you date.


This is her message that she posted anyways...how rude...


Complaining about crappy Valentine's Day gifts is sad, you should just be happy someone thought enough of you to get you anything.
And another AMEN toyou Imcrazy! This guy is obviously a masongonist channeling his anger into a message board.


Yes, we were having a peaceful chat and it was a very rude comment! And yes people can post whatever comments they want on here. But keeping things in context and without the rude/condescending tone is the way most adults handle themselves.


Dear Johnshould be happy he got anything. So what if it's not what you wanted, needed or could use! It's just an expression of affection from the person you are dating! Who cares??? You should love it because it came from a person you supposedly care about.
 
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Imcrazy,492797 wrote :




Well it looks to me like you have some things to discuss with the females you date. If she is buying you things, that are not you then you need to talk to her about it not us. Not come to us like we're the ones who did you wrong. Oblivious and I were discussing how guys like to avoid dating during Valentine's day. How they rather break off the relationship. It has nothing to do at all with you saying maybe we should clean all day and do laundry. Your comment was rude to be honest.





The one thing I hate about men is that they love to group the women they have been with in one category, like we are all the same. We're not all alike, there's some women out there that are good and unique. Just because you have been with women like that doesn't mean you should judge us all. Just because you had bad experiences with women you dated on Valentine's Day buying you crappy things, you felt obligated to interrupt our peaceful chat involving an issue we both have in common. No one would love to see you telling women to clean all day and do your laundry as if that is our duty. Then trying to be cute and say you like extra starch please save that for the women you date.


This is her message that she posted anyways...how rude...


Complaining about crappy Valentine's Day gifts is sad, you should just be happy someone thought enough of you to get you anything.
And another AMEN toyou Imcrazy! This guy is obviously a masongonist channeling his anger into a message board.


Yes, we were having a peaceful chat and it was a very rude comment! And yes people can post whatever comments they want on here. But keeping things in context and without the rude/condescending tone is the way most adults handle themselves.


Dear Johnshould be happy he got anything. So what if it's not what you wanted, needed or could use! It's just an expression of affection from the person you are dating! Who cares??? You should love it because it came from a person you supposedly care about.
 
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obliviouschick, wrote :

Just wondering if men avoid an awkward situation by staying under the radar around Valentine's Day? If you are in the getting to know each other stage and not really offically "dating", do they want to avoid V-Day so they don't send the wrong message to a girl? What do you think? MEN, step up here...Have you done this?
Nope, actually, if you're interested in a girl, Valentine's Day is one of the best times to do something romantic.
 
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Just wondering if men avoid an awkward situation by staying under the radar around Valentine's Day? If you are in the getting to know each other stage and not really offically "dating", do they want to avoid V-Day so they don't send the wrong message to a girl? What do you think? MEN, step up here...Have you done this?


Nope, actually, if you're interested in a girl, Valentine's Day is one of the best times to do something romantic.
Is that right, Mr Right?
 
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obliviouschick, wrote :


Just wondering if men avoid an awkward situation by staying under the radar around Valentine's Day? If you are in the getting to know each other stage and not really offically "dating", do they want to avoid V-Day so they don't send the wrong message to a girl? What do you think? MEN, step up here...Have you done this?


Nope, actually, if you're interested in a girl, Valentine's Day is one of the best times to do something romantic.


Is that right, Mr Right?


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