Mr_Right is offline Mr_Right Post #11  January 27,2009, 11:28am
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I've asked the question as to why people don't try to get to know a match in Open Communication for any period prior to just wanting to meet. The responses from the men came back that they want to see if there is live chemistry and that too many people hide themselves in email.


And maybe this is the real issue. I do use the Open Communication as a weeding process. If the person isn't able to talk anything about themselves, doesn't respond in a timely matter (and even business associates reply within 48 hours), or just writes these fluffy little notes, then I see them as not interested. I guess from there, I ask myself, "why do I want to even bother to meet someone in person that can't handle the dating tasks within eHarmony"? I mean if all I wanted to do was go on blind dates, I'd have my friends fix me up with somebody (and those are usually not the best matches). So, if nobody feels the eharmony process has value, why are we doing it? Why are we bothering to use this site if we/no one believes in it's processes? Why are you guys spending the money?
See, you're looking at it differently. I personally believe that the process DOES have value. Going through Guided Communication I feel gives you a pretty good insight on who the other person is, plus it gives you something to talk about.


But see, you're lacking something very important. You have to see if a) they look like their pictures, because maybe 5% of my matches look like their pictures, and a rare 1% look better than their pictures (that's 94% who DON'T look like their pictures, btw); b) see if you get along in person because you could get along great in email, but not click at all in person; c) see if they are who they say they are, start seeing if there is trust and so forth.


I mean, think about it. What is the difference between meeting someone in a bar vs on eHarmony? You meet someone in a bar, you spend say a hour with them, and get their name and phone number. You meet someone on eHarmony, you know their name, their city, their occupation, their age, their height, ethnicity, religion, if they want kids or not, how much they drink, how much they smoke, their pictures, whatever they decide to put in their profile as the answers to what they're passionate about, what they're thankful for, how their friends describe them, who has influenced them in their life, what some of their life skills are, what they're looking for, how they would describe themselves in first impressions, how they spend their leisure time, what they can't live without, what the last book they read is (though this might be out of date), something only their friends know, and anything else they're willing to share. Plus they get to answer 5 questions you send them, and you get to answer 5 questions they sent (and you can see what's important to them by the questions they ask), what their absolute must haves/can't stands are, the answers to three open-ended questions, and finally you get to share emails. Plus, they're matched to you based on these 29 factors of compatiblity that you hear so much of.


If I know all that information on a person, why would I want to spend months chatting away through email? I'd much rather meet up and see if we click in person. And if the other person, despite knowing ALL that information about me, doesn't want to meet up, then I'm moving on. Two, three messages at most, then I'm going to ask for a phone number. Why? Time is a factor. I don't have as much time as I'd like to have, plus if it doesn't work out, I don't want to waste time pursuing the wrong woman. Plus, there ARE women who are interested and give out their phone number after a few emails, and thatshows that they're interested. I only go out with girls who are interested in me as a person, and who want to get to know me.


And I can't stand the fluffy notes. I closed out someone who for two months sent me fluffy notes.
 
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I've asked the question as to why people don't try to get to know a match in Open Communication for any period prior to just wanting to meet. The responses from the men came back that they want to see if there is live chemistry and that too many people hide themselves in email.


And maybe this is the real issue. I do use the Open Communication as a weeding process. If the person isn't able to talk anything about themselves, doesn't respond in a timely matter (and even business associates reply within 48 hours), or just writes these fluffy little notes, then I see them as not interested. I guess from there, I ask myself, "why do I want to even bother to meet someone in person that can't handle the dating tasks within eHarmony"? I mean if all I wanted to do was go on blind dates, I'd have my friends fix me up with somebody (and those are usually not the best matches). So, if nobody feels the eharmony process has value, why are we doing it? Why are we bothering to use this site if we/no one believes in it's processes? Why are you guys spending the money?


See, you're looking at it differently. I personally believe that the process DOES have value. Going through Guided Communication I feel gives you a pretty good insight on who the other person is, plus it gives you something to talk about.


But see, you're lacking something very important. You have to see if a) they look like their pictures, because maybe 5% of my matches look like their pictures, and a rare 1% look better than their pictures (that's 94% who DON'T look like their pictures, btw); b) see if you get along in person because you could get along great in email, but not click at all in person; c) see if they are who they say they are, start seeing if there is trust and so forth.


I mean, think about it. What is the difference between meeting someone in a bar vs on eHarmony? You meet someone in a bar, you spend say a hour with them, and get their name and phone number. You meet someone on eHarmony, you know their name, their city, their occupation, their age, their height, ethnicity, religion, if they want kids or not, how much they drink, how much they smoke, their pictures, whatever they decide to put in their profile as the answers to what they're passionate about, what they're thankful for, how their friends describe them, who has influenced them in their life, what some of their life skills are, what they're looking for, how they would describe themselves in first impressions, how they spend their leisure time, what they can't live without, what the last book they read is (though this might be out of date), something only their friends know, and anything else they're willing to share. Plus they get to answer 5 questions you send them, and you get to answer 5 questions they sent (and you can see what's important to them by the questions they ask), what their absolute must haves/can't stands are, the answers to three open-ended questions, and finally you get to share emails. Plus, they're matched to you based on these 29 factors of compatiblity that you hear so much of.


If I know all that information on a person, why would I want to spend months chatting away through email? I'd much rather meet up and see if we click in person. And if the other person, despite knowing ALL that information about me, doesn't want to meet up, then I'm moving on. Two, three messages at most, then I'm going to ask for a phone number. Why? Time is a factor. I don't have as much time as I'd like to have, plus if it doesn't work out, I don't want to waste time pursuing the wrong woman. Plus, there ARE women who are interested and give out their phone number after a few emails, and thatshows that they're interested. I only go out with girls who are interested in me as a person, and who want to get to know me.


And I can't stand the fluffy notes. I closed out someone who for two months sent me fluffy notes.
I appreciate your comments and your thoughts. However, I never give out my phone number to someone who only spend $30.00 a month to get on the site. There are alot of men who mis-represent themselves and saftey is a huge issue. If I spent the time communicating with you and you closed me cause I didn't give you my number, you'd scare me. Seems there are alot of opportunties for each party to mis-understand the other. Maybe the mis-understanding is the real issue. Men don't have to worry so much about their safety and the women do. I live alone and wouldn't want some wierdo stalking me because I met them and then perhaps rejected them because they were wierd. I'm cautious and I guess any man who wouldn't understand my safety was important isn't right guy for me. I guess it's just in the thoughts of the person
 
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This is an interesting question. In a Baudrillard simulacrum the copy of the real becomes the reality. An online ID may be viewed as a simulacrum - it is a representation of a person, not the reality. The observer creates this danger: the missing pieces are filled in by the observer. So imagine the trauma some experience when the reality (meeting) clashes with the simulacrum (the electronic creation).
 
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This is the third thread I've seen you begin on this topic, and I haven't looked at all the board sections yet. Once would have been sufficient, really.





I think the reluctance to drag out email corespondence is based on a couple of factors. One, that email is not necessarily a reliable gauge of attraction. People present themselves as they *want* to be perceived; they are on their best behavior - not necessarily being consciously deceptive - and thus not giving an accurate image. Two, that we (especially women) tend to build a fantasy image in our heads which the real person cannot possibly meet. Either way, disappointment can result.





There are many who cannot communicate as fluently in writing as in person.





There are many who've been burned by deceptive photos or words.





There are those who just want to get on with it and are impatient with waiting months to meet someone who's been touted by EH as "highly compatible."





Each of us has our own preferences. If you wish to close out those who want to meet after a few introductory emails, then that's your perogative.





But you may be missing out on someone really special, simply because they have a different internal timetable.


 
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itsbits, wrote :

I've asked the question as to why people don't try to get to know a match in Open Communication for any period prior to just wanting to meet. The responses from the men came back that they want to see if there is live chemistry and that too many people hide themselves in email.


And maybe this is the real issue. I do use the Open Communication as a weeding process. If the person isn't able to talk anything about themselves, doesn't respond in a timely matter (and even business associates reply within 48 hours), or just writes these fluffy little notes, then I see them as not interested. I guess from there, I ask myself, "why do I want to even bother to meet someone in person that can't handle the dating tasks within eHarmony"? I mean if all I wanted to do was go on blind dates, I'd have my friends fix me up with somebody (and those are usually not the best matches). So, if nobody feels the eharmony process has value, why are we doing it? Why are we bothering to use this site if we/no one believes in it's processes? Why are you guys spending the money?
Actually, I cut my losses the 3rd month and got out of the online dating EH site and haunt the Advice Boards. I could see pretty much what you're seeing now as a tragic pattern to online dating in general.


Now, some have success but there's more people on the Advice Boards asking questions, sharing experiences, getting to know each other as friends, etc., so this to me is a much healthier way of hanging out with people and getting to know them.. . and the cost is a little bit of carpul tunnel syndrome. Some of the stories are worth the price of admission.
 
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itsbits, wrote :


I've asked the question as to why people don't try to get to know a match in Open Communication for any period prior to just wanting to meet. The responses from the men came back that they want to see if there is live chemistry and that too many people hide themselves in email.


And maybe this is the real issue. I do use the Open Communication as a weeding process. If the person isn't able to talk anything about themselves, doesn't respond in a timely matter (and even business associates reply within 48 hours), or just writes these fluffy little notes, then I see them as not interested. I guess from there, I ask myself, "why do I want to even bother to meet someone in person that can't handle the dating tasks within eHarmony"? I mean if all I wanted to do was go on blind dates, I'd have my friends fix me up with somebody (and those are usually not the best matches). So, if nobody feels the eharmony process has value, why are we doing it? Why are we bothering to use this site if we/no one believes in it's processes? Why are you guys spending the money?


i personally believe that your rules for open communication are a tad unfair. of course, you're more than entitled to handle the situation as you see fit. but if someone doesn't write you back right away that doesn't have any real meaning. a lot of us are very busy, and set aside an email until we have sufficient time to reply in order to adequately respond. the other thing is that an email is usually someone's last priority, and it's nothing personal.


"fluffy little notes" are sometimes all that a person is comfortable with until they really get to know someone better (especially if they have been burned in the past). jumping right into the nitty gritty, personal details to a stranger doesn't seem a very fair expectation to place on anyone.


i guess my point is that you may well be alienating wonderful people and potential matches with your stringent rules. being more relaxed with this process, and having fun with it, has a lot of benefits. my advice is not to take a person's email etiquette personally, and not to read so deeply into something which is ultimately meaningless. of course, if someone is offensive and/or writes back a month later without a decent excuse, it raises valid questions.
 
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“I've asked the question as to why people don't try to get to know a match in Open Communication for any period prior to just wanting to meet. I do use the Open Communication as a weeding process. If the person isn't able to talk anything about themselves, doesn't respond in a timely matter (and even business associates reply within 48 hours), or just writes these fluffy little notes, then I see them as not interested.” [/b]


I do not engage in complex communications over e-mail. One, because I have too many other people I can make faster progress with. Two, because I do not believe in doing so without being able to look her in the eye, observe her posture, tone of voice, and so forth. It is important to me that I experience communication in real time. Lastly, I do not reveal extensive personal or background information to an unknown stranger, which is what an internet match is before we enter a relationship.


I also used open communication as a weeding process – to weed out people who are too timid, preoccupied, insecure (or cheating) to show up for a date.


“I guess from there, I ask myself, "why do I want to even bother to meet someone in person that can't handle the dating tasks within eHarmony"? So, if nobody feels the eharmony process has value, why are we doing it?”[/b]


I feel the eHarmony process has value because it presents to me a pool of minimally-qualified matches whom I would not otherwise have met[/i]. I am not currently a customer, but I have been, and if I decide to try again, I will most likely return to eH.


It is my opinion, feel you do yourself a disservice to excessively screen out using preliminary communication. I feel that many good partners will not put up with it, while the desperate or deceitful people (who are incapable of making healthy choices in real life) will stay in your pool.


I dated only local, so there was not, for me, any reason to delay meeting.
 
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I feel both ways about this. Like you, I feel that with the OC process I can weed out a number of people that aren't right for me. However, I also need another 'weeding out' process in person. I don't thinkI'd call it 'chemistry' that I'm trying to determine in person, but it regards getting to know more what the person is really like.


Because of this I don't want to stay too long in OC. With a week or two of OC I've most likely weeded out whoever I can at this stage. Spending more than a month in OC is likely to just end up as wasted time once we've met in person and determined it's not going to work.
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