Leaving a child with a mentally-ill ex


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StatGamer is offline StatGamer Post #1  January 17,2009, 11:18am
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I've had this happen a few times and am curious about others' perspectives.


Let me first say that I appreciate that no outsider should/can fairly judge how things work out for a divorcing couple and their custody decisions. Sometimes thing happen in custody battles that are beyond a well-meaning parent's control.


I have however met some guys that tell you that they left town because their ex was an alcoholic, bipolar, depressed, addicted or otherwise ill.


And the ex has custody of their child. So they see the kid as often as they can, they miss him/her daily but they can't live in the same town as the ex.


I understand that some of these men would have liked to have custody and were denied, but I've also talked to those who said "Yeah well she drinks, but she's a good Mom". (!!??!)


Here are my questions.


1. If you as an adult can't live with their addiction/mental illness, is it fair to expect a child to cope with it on their own, while you are in a different city and only available occassionally to that child?


2. Should you not at least stay close to the child and use the standard visitation available to you to provide some modicum of stability in their lives?


What am I missing?
 
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ostensibly, you should. it sounds very wrong. but hard to know what's what. people throw around clinical terms, meaning "if" so-and-so was clinical, this is what they'd be. people also try to keep things private, not wanting to involve the law and make more trouble. if you pursue it, it's more than possible what will happen is the ex goes to jail, is held for observation, and gets released - they can't be held long. that hasn't taken care of anything, but it has exacerbated the problem. sometimes people can't afford the law in pure dollars and cents... or safety.


i used to live in the ghetto. you see a lot of that in the ghetto, but it's the same elsewhere with a shinier veneer.


p.s. but understandable doesn't really make it ok. i wouldn't get involved with a person leading a life like that. there's certainly nothing you can do for the children. one of my god children from the ghetto had to become my ward before we got her back to her mom - she comes from a situation like that. let me tell you, i carried that out through sheer chutzpah. she isn't even an official god child, her cousin is my god child. i just extended the privileges to her. no way a dating relationship could be leveraged like that.





 
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There is a sense of frustration with courts who put adults' needs over those of children. My ex is mentally ill and abused my children to the point the child protective services stepped in. When he asked for unsupervised visitation, the courts merely said he had his rights and so it was granted. There's obviously more here, but I can understand their frustration and desire to be away from it. Every time you leave you child with a seriously unstable ex, you worry about the outcome. Moving away may ease some of the pain for these guys and help them get their sanity back but hopefully, it's not a permanent solution. In any event, it sounds like these men have some healing to do of their own and probably are not ready for a relationship with someone else.
 
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StatGamer, wrote :

I've had this happen a few times and am curious about others' perspectives.


Let me first say that I appreciate that no outsider should/can fairly judge how things work out for a divorcing couple and their custody decisions. Sometimes thing happen in custody battles that are beyond a well-meaning parent's control.


I have however met some guys that tell you that they left town because their ex was an alcoholic, bipolar, depressed, addicted or otherwise ill.


And the ex has custody of their child. So they see the kid as often as they can, they miss him/her daily but they can't live in the same town as the ex.


I understand that some of these men would have liked to have custody and were denied, but I've also talked to those who said "Yeah well she drinks, but she's a good Mom". (!!??!)


Here are my questions.


1. If you as an adult can't live with their addiction/mental illness, is it fair to expect a child to cope with it on their own, while you are in a different city and only available occassionally to that child?


2. Should you not at least stay close to the child and use the standard visitation available to you to provide some modicum of stability in their lives?


What am I missing?
Some men (and women) lie, plain and simple. Gives them an 'excuse' to give as to why the ex threw them out (she's crazy etc) or why he walked out on his family (insert excuse that blames ex) or why he doesn't bother to see his children. The people who do this haven't grown up yet and look everywhere for an excuse to blame others for their own bad behaviour.

Do a little investigation, most court records are online nowsdays so you don't even have to go to the courthouse. If the other parent is an alcoholic etc and so on it'll likely be in the divorce records. Custody arrangement can sometimes tell you all you need to know... in this day and age of automatic joint or shared custody, does he have no visitation rights and his ex has sole custody? That is a HUGE clue you should run from him if you have children of your own or want to have children.
 
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There is a sense of frustration with courts who put adults' needs over those of children. My ex is mentally ill and abused my children to the point the child protective services stepped in. When he asked for unsupervised visitation, the courts merely said he had his rights and so it was granted. There's obviously more here, but I can understand their frustration and desire to be away from it. Every time you leave you child with a seriously unstable ex, you worry about the outcome. Moving away may ease some of the pain for these guys and help them get their sanity back but hopefully, it's not a permanent solution. In any event, it sounds like these men have some healing to do of their own and probably are not ready for a relationship with someone else.


corky, my goddaughter's father did that - got himself visitation rights. he is a piece of work, altho he never physically hurt her. well, i won't go into it. he rarely used those rights, but when he did it was to make trouble. i didn't and don't see how her mom could have extracted her by herself OR by relying on official services. that's a joke. the clinical person in this story is my goddaughter's grandma - that was the first third party attempt at intervention.
 
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Unless they have been medically diagnosed "alcoholic, bipolar, depressed, addicted or otherwise ill" ...it's all the opinion of one person, and probably not necessarily an unbiased opinion at that. You have to take these statements with a grain of salt. In most custody battles, each parent alwayswant to think thatthey are the best interests of their children when, so very often, it's just a matter that they don't want the other one to get custodyout ofrevenge or to avoid child support.


I can't really form an opinion one way or the other on your questions based on the information you have provided here. It's easy to just label these kinds ofnon-custodial parentsas 'dead-beats', but I've seen far too many cases where moving out of town away from the ex ismore a matter of "self-preservation" (my ex-wife was one of these).Non-custodials really have little to no control over the situation because, even though a legal document exists,the custodial parent has ultimate saywhether they get to seetheir children on any particular weekend. In many cities, law enforcement will not even come to a domestic dispute anymore to uphold a custodial court order, even if you have that order in hand...the only recourse is to drag them back through the court system each and every time it happens, which takes time and money.


I think the part you are "missing" is the fact that people don't always take the 'high road' when it comes to being fair with their exes concerning child visitation. Some can plain be outright vindictive about it. You want to live in a perfect world where custodial parents are happy to turn over their children every otherweekend to the non-custodial parent because it's the 'right' thing to do ...believe me, we don't live in that perfect world. You would not believe the stuff I've seen just because the non-custodial parent was 5 minutes late ...I mean, it's sad on a level I can't even describe. I actually know of one custodial parent (mom, in this case) who had her ex arrested for trespassing when he came to pick up his kids for his scheduled visitation! It's crazy!


 
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My late wife was diagnosed bipolar and would not take her meds when my kids were young. You didn't need a psychic to know how the end would come, but we -- my kids and I -- did not leave, and I can tell you that it was right for us to stay, despite my wife's catastrophic death. They're grown now and are great people with a strength uncommon in many their age. We hide nothing; we move on. I think the old expression is "richer or poorer, in sickness and in health."


My lawyer reminded me of that when I talked to him about my options. If you're married to a molester or your spouse or partner seems a threat to harm you or your kids, then you might decide differently. My wife had an illness. She was not the illness.
 
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Wow. That's a complex situation. I'd proceed with caution. I can't think of any reason (ex-s mental illness / temperament / threats / abuse ) I'd leave my kids. Maybe it was as the other poster said, that the dad had to distance himself for his own safety and stability. Doesn't really speak to his ability to put the needs of his kids before his own...
 
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I think sometimes they try to make excuses for why they are not an active part of their child's life because they know how they will be judged for it. My god-children's father actually told me, before I became their god-mother and was only the younger one's teacher, that he was not involved in the kids lives because their mother wanted it that way. Since by sheer obsveration I knew this was not true, she is the one who gave me the info needed to contact him regarding his son's educational progress I realized he was just lying to make himself look better.
 
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My late wife was diagnosed bipolar and would not take her meds when my kids were young. You didn't need a psychic to know how the end would come, but we -- my kids and I -- did not leave, and I can tell you that it was right for us to stay, despite my wife's catastrophic death. They're grown now and are great people with a strength uncommon in many their age. We hide nothing; we move on. I think the old expression is "richer or poorer, in sickness and in health."


My lawyer reminded me of that when I talked to him about my options. If you're married to a molester or your spouse or partner seems a threat to harm you or your kids, then you might decide differently. My wife had an illness. She was not the illness.
JoeJoe, I'm sorry to hear about your ex-wife, though I certainly appreciate your last two sentences.


I have been diagnosed with rapid-cycling bipolar disorder. I have to say, it's been my love for, and commitment to, my daughters that has pulled me through some rough spells and that keeps me med-compliant even when I don't want to be (the side effects of psychotropic medication can really suck). I may have been a danger to myself at some points but I was never a danger to them.


The girls are mostly grown now but we had joint custody when they were younger. Ironically, even in the times when I was not doing well and asked my ex to take the girls for additional timeso I could get back on my feet, he didn't/wouldn't do so (possibly because his new wife thought I was playing victim in a ploy for his continued attention. yeah, right.).


Then again, I sometimes wonder if, had I had someone like JoeJoe who I knew would hold things together and take care of the kids, I might have been more tempted to succumb to the seduction of bipolar mania. So maybe, sometimes, leaving the kids with the mentally-ill ex is ultimately a constructive act.
 
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