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dlc872 is offline dlc872 Post #51  September 10,2008, 9:04am
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javajava5,252891 wrote :

Dear RedCashew,


Your post reminded me of the remark by Obama yesterday, "You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig."


Palin had said last week at the Republican National Convention, "The difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull: Lipstick."


Hmmm, Neither McCain, Biden, or Obama wear lipstick but Palin does. Of course there's controversy over the remark . . . . Is the inference by Obama, "Lipstick on a pig. Palin wears lipstick. Palin is a pig." Who else would he be referring to besides Palin? Certainly not his wife . . . .


Yes, you're right when you write, ". . . women in the public sphere are ridiculed and trivialized in a way men never are." That is so sad.


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Obama was most definitely NOT referring to Palin at all when he made that comment, he was referring to McCain's economic plan. Read in complete context it made perfect sense. The controversy is manufactured by the McCain campaign and the media.
 
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Fembot1121, wrote :

I’ve been running into a big problem now that I am back on the dating scene—the fact that I identify myself as a feminist. I’m not into man-bashing or preaching but I am a strong activist of the cause. I am a card-carrying member of many women’s rights organizations, I’ve participated in protests and contribute to feminists publications. Being a feminist is who I am and when I tell my dates this I get the following responses:


1) Why do you hate men?


2) You’re not ugly enough to be a feminist (hey, thanks)


3) What happened to you to make you so bitter?


4) Have you ever burned your bra?


I don’t understand why men can’t see that I’m not out to hate them, just date them! Withholding this information seems unreasonable; this is part of who I am.


PS—I was married for 12 years to a MAN.
Maybe it's just that traditionalfeminism, as practiced against Clarence Thomas but not against Bill Clinton, is no longer en vogue.
 
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Fembot1121, wrote :


I’ve been running into a big problem now that I am back on the dating scene—the fact that I identify myself as a feminist. I’m not into man-bashing or preaching but I am a strong activist of the cause. I am a card-carrying member of many women’s rights organizations, I’ve participated in protests and contribute to feminists publications. Being a feminist is who I am and when I tell my dates this I get the following responses:


1) Why do you hate men?


2) You’re not ugly enough to be a feminist (hey, thanks)


3) What happened to you to make you so bitter?


4) Have you ever burned your bra?


I don’t understand why men can’t see that I’m not out to hate them, just date them! Withholding this information seems unreasonable; this is part of who I am.


PS—I was married for 12 years to a MAN.


Maybe it's just that traditionalfeminism, as practiced against Clarence Thomas but not against Bill Clinton, is no longer en vogue.
Allegation of unwanted sexual harrassment vs. consensual though inappropriate relationship. Apples vs. oranges.
 
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dlc872,252905 wrote :

javajava5,252891 wrote :


Dear RedCashew,


Your post reminded me of the remark by Obama yesterday, "You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig."


Palin had said last week at the Republican National Convention, "The difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull: Lipstick."


Hmmm, Neither McCain, Biden, or Obama wear lipstick but Palin does. Of course there's controversy over the remark . . . . Is the inference by Obama, "Lipstick on a pig. Palin wears lipstick. Palin is a pig." Who else would he be referring to besides Palin? Certainly not his wife . . . .


Yes, you're right when you write, ". . . women in the public sphere are ridiculed and trivialized in a way men never are." That is so sad.


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Obama was most definitely NOT referring to Palin at all when he made that comment, he was referring to McCain's economic plan. Read in complete context it made perfect sense. The controversy is manufactured by the McCain campaign and the media.
Dear DLC872,


The news shows are a mixed bag on it. It's certainly big news this morning! The headline, "A War Over Words on the Campaign Trail," as the news comes on. "Was it a sexist remark," the newcaster asks?


"Lipstick, pigs, and presidential politics," is the sound-bite.


So, are you saying Obama is saying McCain's economic plan is lipstick pig-like? Let's see, pigs eat anything and everything. How do pigs relate to an economic plan other than, say, exporting pork? I personally do not see the correlation between pigs and economics unless one is say, a farmer, and it's a good year.


I'm watching the news right now and they're certainly not clearing it up. In fact, they just ran Palin's speech at the RNC and now Obama's "Pig" comment. The news people certainly are linking his comment to Palin . . . . And I'm not even watching a conservative news station but one of the more liberal.


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Who cares what newscasters think. There isn't really anyway of telling what their agenda is... I take that back, some make it pretty clear.


I guess I just prefer to listen to the candidates...


Truth is The McCain/Palin ticket will be grasping for straws, air, whatever they can to avoid the inevitable. They will be seeing the broom coming up from behind them very soon.
 
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javajava5,252933 wrote :

dlc872,252905 wrote :


javajava5,252891 wrote :


Dear RedCashew,


Your post reminded me of the remark by Obama yesterday, "You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig."


Palin had said last week at the Republican National Convention, "The difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull: Lipstick."


Hmmm, Neither McCain, Biden, or Obama wear lipstick but Palin does. Of course there's controversy over the remark . . . . Is the inference by Obama, "Lipstick on a pig. Palin wears lipstick. Palin is a pig." Who else would he be referring to besides Palin? Certainly not his wife . . . .


Yes, you're right when you write, ". . . women in the public sphere are ridiculed and trivialized in a way men never are." That is so sad.


JavaJava5





Obama was most definitely NOT referring to Palin at all when he made that comment, he was referring to McCain's economic plan. Read in complete context it made perfect sense. The controversy is manufactured by the McCain campaign and the media.


Dear DLC872,


The news shows are a mixed bag on it. It's certainly big news this morning! The headline, "A War Over Words on the Campaign Trail," as the news comes on. "Was it a sexist remark," the newcaster asks?


"Lipstick, pigs, and presidential politics," is the sound-bite.


So, are you saying Obama is saying McCain's economic plan is lipstick pig-like? Let's see, pigs eat anything and everything. How do pigs relate to an economic plan other than, say, exporting pork? I personally do not see the correlation between pigs and economics unless one is say, a farmer, and it's a good year.


I'm watching the news right now and they're certainly not clearing it up. In fact, they just ran Palin's speech at the RNC and now Obama's "Pig" comment. The news people certainly are linking his comment to Palin . . . . And I'm not even watching a conservative news station but one of the more liberal.


JavaJava5
It's a mistake to assume the news shows are "liberal" but that's another thing.


They are manufacturing a controversy with the full complicity of the McCain campaign. If you actually watch the speech you will realize that Obama was talking about the failures of the Bush administration and how McCain is more of the same, no matter how he packages it. I'll leave you to do the homework. The news media, unfortunately is in love with soundbites.
 
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It's also an old expression referring to the idea that something ugly and dirty is still what it is even if you try to dress it up as something different. The pig - economy analogy isn't what Obama was saying, but I think you know that already.
 
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It's also an old expression referring to the idea that something ugly and dirty is still what it is even if you try to dress it up as something different. The pig - economy analogy isn't what Obama was saying, but I think you know that already.
 
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Fembot1121, wrote :

I’ve been running into a big problem now that I am back on the dating scene—the fact that I identify myself as a feminist. I’m not into man-bashing or preaching but I am a strong activist of the cause. I am a card-carrying member of many women’s rights organizations, I’ve participated in protests and contribute to feminists publications. Being a feminist is who I am and when I tell my dates this I get the following responses:


1) Why do you hate men?


2) You’re not ugly enough to be a feminist (hey, thanks)


3) What happened to you to make you so bitter?


4) Have you ever burned your bra?


I don’t understand why men can’t see that I’m not out to hate them, just date them! Withholding this information seems unreasonable; this is part of who I am.


PS—I was married for 12 years to a MAN.
Just so you know, I am just one more person who thinks that you have a just cause. I'm sorry that you have had such stupid responses to being a feminist. Hang in there, you will find that people like me are out there.
 
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I think anytime a person identifies themselves as a radical/out-spoken"whatever", people are unsure how to respond. Think radical/outspoken feminist, radical/outspoken millitant, radical/outspoken pro-creationist, radical/outspoken environmentalist, radical/outspoken Republican, radical/outspoken smoker, radical/outspoken anti-establishment geek...once the words radical or outspokenis placed in the forefront, that changes the perception of the average person. I'm a feminist, although I voted against the ERA, I'm a Republican, I'm a grandmother, I'm a college baseball fan. We all have our own things about which we are passionate, but radical puts a negative connotation to just about anything...radical Baptist, radical animal lover, radical Pledge of Allegience supporter, radical teenager.


When I see "radical" used to describe someone's beliefs, I expect that person to be outspoken to the point of being militant. If that's the way you want to present yourself to men that you are trying to meet, then so be it, but you should expect that you'll be perceived as being something that YOU know you're not. If you don't like being perceived that way, then you can certainly change the perception, without violating your own belief system, if you really want to.
 
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