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Call me whatever you want, I don't communicate with people who have not posted at least onephoto... ever. Normally I want to see a full body view before we meet.
As much as I'm stunned at how a number of people could let a few inches of height or something like that come between them and true love, I have to admit that this is one of the appearance issues that I can understand and have seriously thought about doing. While I'm a computer geek, that's from work and it took me years to get a digital camera or a cell with a camera on it. Getting a pic that wasn't a mirror shot of myself was not easy! So I do have sympathy for someone who might have trouble getting a few pictures but, still, it does say something if they don't have a picture posted.


What does it say? Maybe:


1) I'm too d----- lazy to post a picture.


2) I don't care enough about making an impression on the potential love of my life to go through the effort.


3) I'm not proud of my appearance and think it drives people away.


4) I'm just so gosh-darned hot that I want someone who loves me for me, not for my body.


I figure if it's #1 or #2, then it's someone who is not putting forth the effort to date. If it's #4, there are ways to tone down one's appearance and there are so many and they can be so easy it's a joke to list them. That leaves #3, which, in my experience, is the most frequent case (and I'm talking from dates from another site, since I get so few from eH). If that's the case, then it's up to that person to improve their appearance. That can be done by getting some glamour shots done or getting a pro to shoot a few home pics or by carefully selecting cloths, or many other things. So if they're worried their pic will scare off potential partners, then putting up a photo is the least of their problems -- since if the match works, they're going to have to meet that person anyway.
 
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Call me whatever you want, I don't communicate with people who have not posted at least onephoto... ever. Normally I want to see a full body view before we meet.


As much as I'm stunned at how a number of people could let a few inches of height or something like that come between them and true love, I have to admit that this is one of the appearance issues that I can understand and have seriously thought about doing. While I'm a computer geek, that's from work and it took me years to get a digital camera or a cell with a camera on it. Getting a pic that wasn't a mirror shot of myself was not easy! So I do have sympathy for someone who might have trouble getting a few pictures but, still, it does say something if they don't have a picture posted.


What does it say? Maybe:


1) I'm too d----- lazy to post a picture.


2) I don't care enough about making an impression on the potential love of my life to go through the effort.


3) I'm not proud of my appearance and think it drives people away.


4) I'm just so gosh-darned hot that I want someone who loves me for me, not for my body.


I figure if it's #1 or #2, then it's someone who is not putting forth the effort to date. If it's #4, there are ways to tone down one's appearance and there are so many and they can be so easy it's a joke to list them. That leaves #3, which, in my experience, is the most frequent case (and I'm talking from dates from another site, since I get so few from eH). If that's the case, then it's up to that person to improve their appearance. That can be done by getting some glamour shots done or getting a pro to shoot a few home pics or by carefully selecting cloths, or many other things. So if they're worried their pic will scare off potential partners, then putting up a photo is the least of their problems -- since if the match works, they're going to have to meet that person anyway.


I will add one more to your list of reasons people don't post a photo. They want you to communicate with them in hopes of influencing your mind before you know what they look like. Which I imagine only sets them up for many disappointing dates.


Look... Do you want to be confident going out to meet someone for the first time? A woman doesn't have to be a model for me to be attracted to her... I'm certainly not... but I present myself which ensures that my looks or physique (or lack of it) won't be a distraction or a reason for someone to walk out. That gives me confidence... Not that I need it... ahem...
 
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As much as I'm stunned at how a number of people could let a few inches of height or something like that come between them and true love, I have to admit that this is one of the appearance issues that I can understand and have seriously thought about doing. While I'm a computer geek, that's from work and it took me years to get a digital camera or a cell with a camera on it. Getting a pic that wasn't a mirror shot of myself was not easy! So I do have sympathy for someone who might have trouble getting a few pictures but, still, it does say something if they don't have a picture posted.


What does it say? Maybe:


1) I'm too d----- lazy to post a picture.


2) I don't care enough about making an impression on the potential love of my life to go through the effort.


3) I'm not proud of my appearance and think it drives people away.


4) I'm just so gosh-darned hot that I want someone who loves me for me, not for my body.


I figure if it's #1 or #2, then it's someone who is not putting forth the effort to date. If it's #4, there are ways to tone down one's appearance and there are so many and they can be so easy it's a joke to list them. That leaves #3, which, in my experience, is the most frequent case (and I'm talking from dates from another site, since I get so few from eH). If that's the case, then it's up to that person to improve their appearance. That can be done by getting some glamour shots done or getting a pro to shoot a few home pics or by carefully selecting cloths, or many other things. So if they're worried their pic will scare off potential partners, then putting up a photo is the least of their problems -- since if the match works, they're going to have to meet that person anyway.


I will add one more to your list of reasons people don't post a photo. They want you to communicate with them in hopes of influencing your mind before you know what they look like. Which I imagine only sets them up for many disappointing dates.


Look... Do you want to be confident going out to meet someone for the first time? A woman doesn't have to be a model for me to be attracted to her... I'm certainly not... but I present myself which ensures that my looks or physique (or lack of it) won't be a distraction or a reason for someone to walk out. That gives me confidence... Not that I need it... ahem...[/quote]

In my head I had your point lumped in with #3 but I never articulated it and should have. It's the idea that a match will get to know us online and not care at all about looks or will meet us, not be able to back out, and just be mesmerized by our charm.


For me it's a trust issue, which is close to part of what you say. If we meet and it turns out she has a lame reason for no pic or I find out it's what you've said -- hoping to influence me before I can respond based on looks, then I feel manipulated and that is NOT a good start to a relationship. As I've said, people with control over themselves don't need to control or manipulate others. People know I'm one of the ones who says that there are more important things than looks, but the idea of not being forward on a point like this does bother me. Now if, on the other hand, they're recovering from surgery and the scars will fade or their camera was mauled when they saved a kid who fell in the nearby creek while a bear was chasing that poor kid, then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
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This is why I just put up a photo straight away, and prefer to see someone else's straight away too. No surprises, you know who you're talking to right from the beginning. There are a lot of 'shallow' people out there, but there are also just a lot of people who don't find me (or you) to be their 'type' so why beat around the bush about it? It's just going to make you feel bad if there's a negative reaction when you DO share a photo. Better to just skip that disappointment. It saves time too.


I do not, however, like grocery lists on dating sites. Sure, you can describe some of the characteristics you are looking for, but if someone is too specific then it shows that they are not open minded or flexible and I'd rather not waste my time on them.



Primary advice: post a photo and expect the same from your matches.
 
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This is why I just put up a photo straight away, and prefer to see someone else's straight away too. No surprises, you know who you're talking to right from the beginning. There are a lot of 'shallow' people out there, but there are also just a lot of people who don't find me (or you) to be their 'type' so why beat around the bush about it? It's just going to make you feel bad if there's a negative reaction when you DO share a photo. Better to just skip that disappointment. It saves time too.


I do not, however, like grocery lists on dating sites. Sure, you can describe some of the characteristics you are looking for, but if someone is too specific then it shows that they are not open minded or flexible and I'd rather not waste my time on them.



Primary advice: post a photo and expect the same from your matches.
 
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Its kinda hard but you have to find a happy medium between good looks and great personality. You have to be at least a little physically attracted to them and thats not shallow, it nature. I would just keep on trucking and hopefully something will come your way. You just gotta be in the right place at the right time
 
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Its kinda hard but you have to find a happy medium between good looks and great personality. You have to be at least a little physically attracted to them and thats not shallow, it nature. I would just keep on trucking and hopefully something will come your way. You just gotta be in the right place at the right time
this was, perhaps, the most "real" answer i've read thus far.
 
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I really like this topic and hearing perspectives because I am not shallow but I am so torn on looks. A few of my good friends have agreed that I have 'strange' tastes in men. To put this in perspective, I think drop dead gorgeous guys that I would date based on looks would be for example: Malcolm Gladwell, Shaun White, the twins with long hair in the Matrix, Polamalu.. so you probably are saying, ok she likes long hair. Yes I do, but I also think Vin Diesel, Keith Ablow and Howie Mandel are very attractive. So then you probably think I am an extremist, but I also think Mr. Smith (again Matrix), 'Jack Bauer', Sean Connory, Harrison Ford and George Clooney are super sexy. So in general, I cannot really put anything in perspective, race, hair color, length, height (Bono is 5'7" and I think he is a hottie!). I do admit that one is born with features that are part of oneself and one must accept and be happy about them, but for a good body you have to work for it, and that takes time and discipline, so I value that (not in terms of vanity, but in dedication and healthy lifestyle aspects).


Also I must admit I do not have high self esteem in the looks department, even thought I have been told otherwise. I consider myself a 7, yet today I have had yet a third match in the MHCS that wrote "attractiveness" in their list. I feel like I should close them out because I do not fit 'that' standard, but then I have 9 pictures posted, so they can see them clearly and all of them are from this year and only in one I am actually dolled up. So I hope and wish and wonder that even thought they say this, really that description of "I must have a partner who is considered "very attractive" by most current standards", is wrong and it is 'theirs' standards (which may be as wacky as mine). Am I completely off the map here? Anybody actually has this on their list? Are you really looking for Aniston around here?


I also want to say that in nature, it is the male who actually perks up, has the makeup on (nice vibrant colors in birds for example) and tries to win the female. Looks like we are the only species in which seems usually the women is the one who has to do all the dressing up and makeup part. Then again I would never date a guy who wears makeup.. well maybe eye makeup.


Lastly... I must admit MORE than the actual picture of the dude I look at the whole picture. Is he always with his mom (5 out of 6 pictures, FLAG!), is he always home (homebody), is he always drinking (yet writes drinks a few times a year, FLAG), loves his kids and pets (yet no pictures of them), says he loves vacation (and all his pictures are in front of his TV), background of a messy place - 6 pictures - same background different clothes FLAG, none of the pictures it seems like he is having fun (just plain picture smiling), he is sleeping in a hotel (no joke, he had a picture like this and he said he hates being a couch potato!), all pictures with glasses (but he now has contacts 'sorry no recent pictures'). What can I say ... for me the pictures are not about 'him' but about what it says of him and his life and his spare time. Also all those office cube pictures are such a turn off! (workaholic, FLAG!) .. ok I think I am flagged out today!
 
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I have a different take on this than a lot of people and I've been raked over the coals on here by some people for stating my view, but I'll say it again.


I can think of one relationship in particular where I met a woman while working in a summer program and we became friends.* She's 14-15 years older than I am and I guess I noticed and didn't think at all in terms of physical attraction, but after a few weeks we ended up dating.* We're not dating anymore and she's one of my best friends.* I found that as I got to know her better, I found her more and more attractive.


When I was younger, I had a serious thing for brunettes and never wanted to even consider dating a woman who wasn't one, but got introduced to a redhead and as I got to know her and the chemistry built up, I found her hotter and hotter the closer we got to each other.* We broke up and all I could imagine was dating redheads, but the next girl I met and got along well with and dated was a blonde.


I've seen a LONG thread here on height and women who say, over and over, "I'm 5'x" tall and I want to feel feminine when I put on heels."* I don't get that and I don't get turning people down as potential dates based solely on looks.* I can understand health concerns, such as morbid obesity (and remember, even though I've lost 7-8 belt notches so far, that remark is coming from a fat man), but I can't understand people ruling out a potential date or mate based on a few inches of height, a face that they don't like, or something else that one would not think, at first, is what they'd be attracted to.


It all depends on what is inside US.* We see the world as a projection of what is in us.* Whether we are or feel feminine or masculine, that is from inside us, not outside.* If we depend on a partner's physical characteristics to make us feel feminine or masculine or strong or horny or loving, then what happens when their physical form changes?* Can we still feel the same way if they end up in a wheelchair or their face is disfigured?* Will we still feel that same level of love if what turned us on in the first place is hurt in an accident or by disease?


Most people don't realize that emotions are a choice and we have more control over them than we want to accept.* True, it's easier if we pretend that's not true.* Then we can go out only for hotties with the excuse that we just aren't attracted to other types.* I honestly believe that we have the abilities to "reprogram" ourselves and even if a person is not attractive, if we truly love them, we will find them becoming more and more attractive to us.


I've known women that were extremely "hot" and after I got to know them and realize they were mainpulative and nasty, could only see them as completely unattractive while I've known other women that didn't seem attractive at first and after I got to know them and their kindness and emotional depth, thought they were beautiful.


I can't see writing off someone that may be a fantastic partner for me because she's taller than I am (and I've got an excuse for that, since height can be a serious consideration for competitive ballroom dance, which is my passion) or has the wrong color hair or eyes or doesn't have the looks I wanted or was hoping for.


Life's too short to write off people that could bring someting wonderful to my life just because they're not what I might consider attractive when I meet them.
Wow! You are truly a man of great insight and inspiration! I suspect many people miss out on great relationships because they focus too much on physical beauty. If we reflect on our other intimate relationships (those with our parents, children, cousins, dear friends, good neighbors, etc.) all we really care about is their inner beauty. When we evaluate a potential soul mate by such a radically different standard we are really selling ourselves short. I'd be a fool to overlook someone with a great sense of humor, kindness, courage, and integrity just because I'm fixated on finding a mate who appears airbrushed while fetching the morning paper!
 
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Why don't we instead just drop all the pretenses and admit: Physical attraction/attributes is/are what is most important! After all, I just did.


Does that make me a bad person? Absolutely not! In fact, quite the opposite. My honesty is part of what makes me great.
Is it really fair to assume others are being pretentious and dishonest just because they do not share your view ? Like most people, I have a pretty specific image of the ideal man in my mind: tall, strong, deep voice, beautiful hands, intelligent, and classy. I could go on, but I think you get the picture. (Interestingly, celebrity facial features is not on my list; I actually prefer a kind, but rather average-looking face to one that looks as though it has been carved out of cream cheese.) Still, I have found myself attracted to several men who do not fit this narrow mold, not even remotely. So yes, I will concede that physical attraction enters the picture, but no way is it the MOST important, not by a long shot. Not for me.
 
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