PabloConfused is offline PabloConfused Post #1  January 24,2012, 3:22pm
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So, I'm a 22 year old guy beginning a new relationship with a girl. I'm not one to jump into anything related to romance or relationships very quickly or give myself emotionally quickly, either (this is only my fourth relationship and each of my previous relationships have lasted at least one year), and that wasn't the case with this current girl, either. I took about a good year of getting to know her before full-on courting her before starting the relationship. There were things in her past she wasn't proud of as far as her relationships/romance/sexual history went, but has expressed a desire to put them behind her as she's returning to being more religious and I have seen it in action already (it was part of my reason for holding off on courting her for such a long time, even when she seemed perfect for me in just about every other way).

She used to be involved quite actively in a drama/theater club and while I knew that she was in some rather raunchy plays, I never really knew what her roles in them were. Recently, I came across videos of the performances she was in on YouTube and they're extremely troubling for me; she's been in scenes where multiple guys are fondling her gratuitously, scenes where guys are simulating crowding around her and masturbating as she's on her knees, a scene in a bed where she and another guy are disrobing and he's clearly in the missionary position between her legs (albeit under a sheet by this point) and is thrusting, and (what seems quite tame compared to everything else) plenty of long, intense, very physical make out scenes. I've seen questions posted online before about dealing with stage kissing/romance scenes when a significant other is in one, but I don't think that it was quite the same as this.

As far as what my actual questions are, I guess I am wondering are

1) How do I deal with all that stuff in the past that's so incredibly the polar opposite of my views on physical intimacy? The majority of the time, probably 90% of it, I couldn't care less about the past whenever I am with her because I don't believe it's fair to hold the past against someone, especially in a relationship. However, the times I do think of it or it's mentioned, I can't help but see the very crude images in my head again.

2) Is there any way to really know, aside from flat-out asking her, if these are things she'd be interested in doing again? There are a lot of things I've seen her permanently bury in the past, and ideally, taking part in raunchy stuff like this would be one of them. Do I just have to sit down and talk to her about both of these issues and ask her to help me through them?

Anyone who's been anywhere close to my shoes knows all the thoughts running around in my head, so please feel free to add anything that you feel would help. Thanks, everyone.
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I totally would have read your post if you used paragraphs.
 
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jimmyh452 wrote :
I totally would have read your post if you used paragraphs.
Something went wrong with the formatting when I hit "submit" and I couldn't edit it at first, but I've taken care of it now.
 
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1) How do I deal with all that stuff in the past that's so incredibly the polar opposite of my views on physical intimacy? The majority of the time, probably 90% of it, I couldn't care less about the past whenever I am with her because I don't believe it's fair to hold the past against someone, especially in a relationship. However, the times I do think of it or it's mentioned, I can't help but see the very crude images in my head again.

Then you should only date virgin ice princesses because by her age most girls already have a past that bothers you.

2) Is there any way to really know, aside from flat-out asking her, if these are things she'd be interested in doing again?

You could try mind reading.

There are a lot of things I've seen her permanently bury in the past, and ideally, taking part in raunchy stuff like this would be one of them.

So what's the problem then?

Do I just have to sit down and talk to her about both of these issues and ask her to help me through them?

As opposed to texting?

Anyone who's been anywhere close to my shoes knows all the thoughts running around in my head, so please feel free to add anything that you feel would help. Thanks, everyone.
No, I can't imagine getting all worked up about some fictional acting role she played in.
 
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She used to be involved quite actively in a drama/theater club and while I knew that she was in some rather raunchy plays, I never really knew what her roles in them were. Recently, I came across videos of the performances she was in on YouTube and they're extremely troubling for me; she's been in scenes where multiple guys are fondling her gratuitously, scenes where guys are simulating crowding around her and masturbating as she's on her knees, a scene in a bed where she and another guy are disrobing and he's clearly in the missionary position between her legs (albeit under a sheet by this point) and is thrusting, and (what seems quite tame compared to everything else) plenty of long, intense, very physical make out scenes. I've seen questions posted online before about dealing with stage kissing/romance scenes when a significant other is in one, but I don't think that it was quite the same as this.
What you just described sounds like pornography to me. I don't think I could ever consider being involved with anyone who had engaged in that for quite a number of reasons, not the least of which is STDs.

1) How do I deal with all that stuff in the past that's so incredibly the polar opposite of my views on physical intimacy? The majority of the time, probably 90% of it, I couldn't care less about the past whenever I am with her because I don't believe it's fair to hold the past against someone, especially in a relationship. However, the times I do think of it or it's mentioned, I can't help but see the very crude images in my head again.
Sounds like it's a deal breaker to me. It's one thing to accept a person and their past mistakes, but it's another to turn that acceptance into a romantic relationship.

Some things to consider:
  1. If you don't think you can get past the images of her past when you're just talking with her, what do you think it will be like when you make love to her and those images return?
  2. How do you feel that those images are up on YouTube for the world to view?
  3. How would you feel about them remaining on YouTube if you two were intimate?
I can easily see your discomfort with her past turning into resentment down the road.

2) Is there any way to really know, aside from flat-out asking her, if these are things she'd be interested in doing again?
The only way you're going to know what she's thinking/feeling is to ask her.

You said she has recently become religious. Do you mean as in accepting Jesus? Some people look at that type of transition as closing the book of one's past and moving forward in purity. That approach works for some, and then there are the people who use that as cover for their sins - meaning that they engage in the sinful behavior under the guise that they're human and flawed, believing since they're 'saved' that Jesus will automatically forgive them. Sort of reminds me of the indulgences purchased during the Middle Ages.

Either way, you're not going to know which side of the fence she's on until you discuss it with her. Is it not in her power to take down the YouTube videos, or is it her desire they remain public? The answer to that question will be quite revealing to you.


Anyone who's been anywhere close to my shoes knows all the thoughts running around in my head, so please feel free to add anything that you feel would help. Thanks, everyone.
Even those of us not nearly anywhere near the shoes you're in can visualize what you've described and try to give you honest and insightful feedback. Personally, I don't think I could or would want to enter into a relationship with a person who has engaged in the behaviors you've described and who has left a visual audit trail via YouTube for all of the world to see.
 
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No, I can't imagine getting all worked up about some fictional acting role she played in.
Did you read the second paragraph of the OP's post?
 
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Thanks to everyone who replied so far.

I want to point out that these were just really weird plays intended for 18+ audiences; think stuff along the lines of Clockwork Orange and what-not. That definitely doesn't make me any less bothered about all this stuff, but it's not quite as extreme as it seems my original post made it seem based on some of the responses I've seen so far.

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Then you should only date virgin ice princesses because by her age most girls already have a past that bothers you.
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No, I can't imagine getting all worked up about some fictional acting role she played in.
Ignoring the fact that it seems you're being intentionally obtuse and ignoring much of my post, as someone with plenty of acting experience myself, I'm really not one to buy into the "It's just acting" argument. A really good way of explaining opposition to it was presented on another site (URL: http://www.dearcupid.org/question/how-do-husbands-wives-of-actors-actresses-deal.html ) and is quoted below:

The quick response I get is "It's all about context", and the intention of those "involved". This is really the only argument which is presented and is relatively easy to dismiss. One way to deconstruct this argument is to use a little logic tool called a syllogism. A syllogism is taking two premises and drawing a conclusion based on those premises. It sort of looks like this: "All A is C; all B is A; therefore all B is C."

So, Do actors engage in sexual behaviour on screen with their fellow actors?

A--Actors engage in this type of behaviour on stage or in front of a camera: french kissing, erotic touching, intercourse, fellatio, sustained lip kissing, gyrating crotches together etc.

B French kissing, erotic touching, intercourse, fellatio, sustained lip kissing, gyrating crotches together etc.

Constitutes sexual behaviour.

C Therefore actors engage in sexual behaviour.

Simple easy logic.

This type of syllogistic logic precludes motivation and context. Simply because these behaviours universally constitute sexual behaviour.

This same logic cannot be applied when playing the role of murderer who stabs his victims simply because the actor is not "actually" stabbing his colleagues.
I have found that I care about this girl enough to get over a lot of things that used to "disqualify" women for me, so to speak, including simply having this kind of a past. In all honesty, I know I can find it within myself to get past all of this if I'm sure she doesn't desire to take on such roles again. If she even wants to continue acting, as I know from my own experiences and I'm sure she knows from hers, there are PLENTY of roles out there that don't involve anything sexual. I'm just not sure how to bring any of this up.

As far as her religiousness goes, from knowing her, she grew up pretty religious and felt she strayed from it for a few years (which would be when she was partaking in all this stuff). I do get the impression that partaking in stuff like this is probably part of her past, but until I ask, I won't really know.

About the videos of these performances on YouTube, I don't believe she had a hand in putting them up, but that's also something I won't know until I ask.

I also want to clarify something else. I have many mutual friends of hers and as I said, I have known her for a while now, too. I don't have any remote doubts about her loyalty to me or anything of that sort, and I can honestly say I've never connected with anyone the way I have with her. I truly want to work through these issues with her (that's why I'm here trying to figure out how) and move beyond the past, but I'm just not at all sure how to even begin doing that/starting the necessary conversation without setting a negative tone. I'd love to hear that she's not interested in doing anything of this sort anymore, but even if she is, I am just trying to figure out how to work through it with her.
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So which part of her attracts you.... the adult film roles you've watched her in.. that could be what she's about in the sheets, or the return-to-religion part that makes her presentable to your people, and in your mind?
 
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There are a couple of things I'm not 'getting', I guess.

There were things in her past she wasn't proud of as far as her relationships/romance/sexual history went, but has expressed a desire to put them behind her as she's returning to being more religious and I have seen it in action already (it was part of my reason for holding off on courting her for such a long time, even when she seemed perfect for me in just about every other way).
First of all, you say you started dating her because she "returned to being more religious" (which you say you have already witnessed) and she has already expressed a desire to put her past "behind her" ...but, yet, you repeatedly ask how you can be certain of this? The doesn't make any sense whatsoever. What's your expectation here? ...that she sign a contract in blood promising that she won't ever do anything that would upset you ever again?

1) How do I deal with all that stuff in the past that's so incredibly the polar opposite of my views on physical intimacy? The majority of the time, probably 90% of it, I couldn't care less about the past whenever I am with her because I don't believe it's fair to hold the past against someone, especially in a relationship. However, the times I do think of it or it's mentioned, I can't help but see the very crude images in my head again.
Dude, you are talking out the backside of your neck. You don't "believe it's fair" ...but everything about your post indicates that you really are holding her past against her; otherwise you have nothing to "deal with" in the first place.

2) Is there any way to really know, aside from flat-out asking her, if these are things she'd be interested in doing again? There are a lot of things I've seen her permanently bury in the past, and ideally, taking part in raunchy stuff like this would be one of them. Do I just have to sit down and talk to her about both of these issues and ask her to help me through them?
"help you through them"? ...hahahaha. That's precious.

I have found that I care about this girl enough to get over a lot of things that used to "disqualify" women for me, so to speak, including simply having this kind of a past.
...and, yet, here we are ...

I truly want to work through these issues with her (that's why I'm here trying to figure out how) and move beyond the past, but I'm just not at all sure how to even begin doing that/starting the necessary conversation without setting a negative tone. I'd love to hear that she's not interested in doing anything of this sort anymore, but even if she is, I am just trying to figure out how to work through it with her.
Let's try to make one thing clear here ...this is your problem, not hers. She has a past - which she is, by your own admission, overcoming ...a past which you had full knowledge of when you chose to get involved with her ... and you are the one with the issue about it. Are you kidding me?

YOUR PROBLEM. YOUR ISSUE.

Why is it her 'job' to make you feel better about it? That's ridiculous! She doesn't 'owe' you any explanation, justification, conversation, or promises regarding it ...and if she can move past it, why can't you?

Honestly, I see you as being someone who is selfish and insecure. Her past is not about you ...that's the bottom line ...and it's killing you to know that. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that this is so much less about what you think about it and so much more about what others are going to think about you when they find out about it.

Frankly, if you can't figure out a way past this, she probably deserves someone better than you ...someone who has a ounce of self-esteem and someone who isn't judging her based on a past that she can no more change than the color of the sky.
 
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I also want to clarify something else. I have many mutual friends of hers and as I said, I have known her for a while now, too. I don't have any remote doubts about her loyalty to me or anything of that sort, and I can honestly say I've never connected with anyone the way I have with her.
This may be true, but do you know why you feel this connection?


I truly want to work through these issues with her (that's why I'm here trying to figure out how) and move beyond the past, ...
What if her past is her present and future? What do you think you're going to work on? If you think you're going to make her your project to change her, I wouldn't count on that being at all successful.


but I'm just not at all sure how to even begin doing that/starting the necessary conversation without setting a negative tone.
Very simply you ask about her past and ask if it is going to continue into her present and future.


I'd love to hear that she's not interested in doing anything of this sort anymore,
Regardless of what you want to hear, you need to be prepared to hear exactly what she says. She may try to placate you and say she's not going to do it anymore, but do it anyway behind your back. Personally, I don't like how that might play out.


but even if she is, I am just trying to figure out how to work through it with her.
Again, I'm not sure what you think you're going to work on. It sounds like you deeply want her not to do this stuff anymore, but you aren't in control of that.

I echo Wiseman's concerns. What exactly attracts you to this woman? It almost sounds like you think she has potential because she's come back to religion.

I don't think anyone here is going to tell you what you want to hear - and I don't think anyone here is going to tell you that it's a fabulous idea to rush headlong ahead into this situation.

Speaking for myself, I think you should run and not attempt to turn this into anything other than a cordial acquaintanceship.
 
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