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Faraday is online now Faraday Post #1  September 7,2011, 7:51am
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I have been dating someone for just under 6 months now. It started out with an instant crazy good connection. I am crazy about him. I know that he is crazy about me. He is consistent, sweet, thoughtful and we are both always doing things for each other. It's the type of relationship I've always wanted. We have always spent quite a bit of time together (4-5 nights a week), we have a totally awesome sex life (5-6 times a week), we enjoy each others company, we're currently working on cultivating shared interests...

but we fight.


A few times a week. About dumb things. Often times it's his insecurity peeking through. He has a lot of baggage from past relationships and he often drags that into our relationship. He is also much more high strung than anyone I've ever dated (he reacts negatively instantly to even something I'm making a joke about), we're both defensive in arguments...I don't know what to do. He takes things out of context and puts words in my mouth

Normally, I'm the first to say, if it isn't working, let it go...but I don't want to. He doesn't either. We've talked about it. We both feel that when you meet "the one" it should run smoothly...but we don't There is so much love, respect and admiration for it's hard to walk away from what could be.

I've been on the flip side of this. My ex and I NEVER fought. We didn't because we didn't care. There wasn't passion...I think that was merely because we didn't want to be alone. I've learned a lot since then.

I'm not scared to start over. I love dating; I think it's fun. I don't feel that being single is being alone. But not having him in my life terrifies me. He feels like home. I want to marry him and have kids with him...I want to be holding his hand on the porch when we're ninety. He said he feels the same about me...but neither of us want to live a life where we fight with our partner and that stops us from moving forward.

He doesn't believe in counseling. He told me there are only so many ways to do a triple by pass or take out a liver, but thousands of ways to deal with different issues of the heart or head because we are all different. I understand that...but I also think you need to find a counselor who you connect with. I went to counseling on my own last year, it helped me immensely. Part of me wonders if I should go back (but the $200 dollar an hour price tag deters me) so that I can figure out better ways to communicate with him...because that we're doing isn't working.

I guess I just need to get it out there. I was so sure about him. He's everything I've ever wanted. Why can't we just get along?

I know that love isn't enough. You need mutual interests (which we're creating together), shared goals (which we don't completely sync on- but that is totally because we fight too )...I guess I'm just wondering if I should let go of the possibilities with him and look towards future possibilities elsewhere? It makes me so sad
 
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Ingytravel is online now Ingytravel Post #2  September 7,2011, 8:10am
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Your post is a bit all over the place where one second you say you love, respect and admire they other...but then the next you say how much you all are fighting...

You say you don't mind being alone or single but being without him 'terrifies' you....

Let me ask a few questions...

Are you still doing things with just your friends, family, and spending time alone? Or is all your time devoted to this guy...

What happens during your fights? Do you call each other names? Say hurtful things? End up not speaking for a bit? Or is it just bickering back/forth and they are more just disagreements....

The biggest issue I see is that he doesn't 'believe' in counseling....That means he doesn't want to hear...from anyone....that he may not be doing something in the right way or need to tweak some things about himself...

That is a HUGE red flag to me....People who think that they are above getting help...will hold on tooth and nail to being 'right' all the time...

Counseling does not have to be expensive...There are many that are covered by insurance...as well as others that will let you pay based on your income...

There is a happy medium between your last relationship where neither cared to even discuss anything...or this one where you are arguing all the time...

Passion does not equal love and respect....Love and respect for someone means sitting down and talking out your issues....Actually listening to one another...and finding either a compromise to something...or agreeing to disagree....It doesn't sound like you all do this at all...

I personally could not be in a relationship like you describe...life is too short to be arguing about things day after day and having some roller coaster ride or walking on eggshells and not knowing what is going to set someone off...

You even put that you don't even sync up on your shared goals....

So....let's recap....the sex is good....and when you aren't fighting...then hanging out is fun....

On the other hand...you fight all the time....he refuses help....and your main goals don't sync up....

It's obviously going to be up to you...but if you all are having this many issues at not even 6 months of dating...it will only get worse as time goes on unless it all changed now....

Not trying to be Debbie Downer....but I just don't see things boding well for the future...
 
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before you do anything, my first suggestion would be to spend less time together. not as in "lets sit down and have a talk and decide together to spend less time together" just do it.

idk you at all, but if it were me in your position i would probably say something like "hey, i'm going to hang out with bambi tonight and watch chick flicks and eat pints of ben and jerrys!" or smth like that... so he knows that its just that you are going to go do your own thing for awhile and nothing about him.

imo for 6 months in youre spending WAY too much time together and probably not devoting enough to your own interests. it may not help to spend less time together, but its the only suggestion i really have. its impossible to know why you are fighting so much, but it may be because you are just together too much too soon and the fighting is the way that you create distance, since you dont seem to have it otherwise!

it can be the same when you are married: you will still need to carve time out for yourselves. you might be crazy about each other and not want to hurt the other by *asking* for time that you prolly really need to yourselves, separately.
 
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Maybe he's in your life for a reason. You say you and your ex never fought. This guy is teaching you how to be with someone and fight. So, plenty to learn there. You don't have to be with him forever. Just enjoy what is and leave when you're through.
 
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Ingytravel wrote :
Your post is a bit all over the place where one second you say you love, respect and admire they other...but then the next you say how much you all are fighting...
I know, eh? I do love, respect and admire him. A few months back I posted about how he's really jealous of my friendship with my daughters father...he still doesn't like it. He's trying to be accepting of it...but then on the other hand, he still goes for lunch with his ex wife (no kids), still hangs out with two of his ex girlfriends...which I don't care about...but I don't like the double standard.

You say you don't mind being alone or single but being without him 'terrifies' you....
Not being without him...not having him be a part of my life. I just picture him in it.
Let me ask a few questions...

Are you still doing things with just your friends, family, and spending time alone? Or is all your time devoted to this guy...
I do. He doesn't. I've been telling him for the last few weeks he needs to go out with friends and have "me time". He does so much for so many people (including me) that I don't think he spends enough time taking care of himself.
What happens during your fights? Do you call each other names? Say hurtful things? End up not speaking for a bit? Or is it just bickering back/forth and they are more just disagreements....
It never resorts to name calling. We don't usually say hurtful things. I think we have discussions...but he calls it fighting. If we have a differing opinion on something, he calls it a fight, even if voices aren't raised. He gets very emotional where as, I do, but not "at" him. We both are oversensitive to criticism so sometimes it feels like (to the other person) we're being attacked when the other person is just expressing an opinion.
The biggest issue I see is that he doesn't 'believe' in counseling....That means he doesn't want to hear...from anyone....that he may not be doing something in the right way or need to tweak some things about himself...
I know. It worries me.

That is a HUGE red flag to me....People who think that they are above getting help...will hold on tooth and nail to being 'right' all the time...
He is always quick to apologize and admit when he was wrong...but he doesn't seem to grow from it.
Counseling does not have to be expensive...There are many that are covered by insurance...as well as others that will let you pay based on your income...
I'll look into it. We're both self employed so no insurance...but I will see if any of it's government funded...but our mental health care system is almost non existent.
There is a happy medium between your last relationship where neither cared to even discuss anything...or this one where you are arguing all the time...

Passion does not equal love and respect....Love and respect for someone means sitting down and talking out your issues....Actually listening to one another...and finding either a compromise to something...or agreeing to disagree....It doesn't sound like you all do this at all...
We try to compromise. We're both self admittedly incredibly stubborn. It's tough.
I personally could not be in a relationship like you describe...life is too short to be arguing about things day after day and having some roller coaster ride or walking on eggshells and not knowing what is going to set someone off...
It's true. It's really hard.
You even put that you don't even sync up on your shared goals....
He's career focused. I'm family focused. He said he would like to get married and have kids, but when we fight so much, it isn't an option.
So....let's recap....the sex is good....and when you aren't fighting...then hanging out is fun....

On the other hand...you fight all the time....he refuses help....and your main goals don't sync up....

It's obviously going to be up to you...but if you all are having this many issues at not even 6 months of dating...it will only get worse as time goes on unless it all changed now....

Not trying to be Debbie Downer....but I just don't see things boding well for the future...
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Thanks for your thoughts Ingy
 
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Nanette wrote :
before you do anything, my first suggestion would be to spend less time together. not as in "lets sit down and have a talk and decide together to spend less time together" just do it.

idk you at all, but if it were me in your position i would probably say something like "hey, i'm going to hang out with bambi tonight and watch chick flicks and eat pints of ben and jerrys!" or smth like that... so he knows that its just that you are going to go do your own thing for awhile and nothing about him.
I usually see my family a few times a week and my friends a few times a week. I work from home, so my schedule is flexible enough that I can still see people. We usually meet up at night to spend the last hour of the day together and sleep next to each other.

I replied to Ingy that I think he doesn't take enough time for himself. He works so hard. I think he is burning himself out. I've told him to take more time to himself...but he doesn't.

imo for 6 months in youre spending WAY too much time together and probably not devoting enough to your own interests. it may not help to spend less time together, but its the only suggestion i really have. its impossible to know why you are fighting so much, but it may be because you are just together too much too soon and the fighting is the way that you create distance, since you dont seem to have it otherwise!
I have thought this before but not in such a tangible way. Maybe it is the only way we can get time apart. I will start telling him that I need to work on my blog at night a few times a week so that we can both have more time alone.

Thanks Nanette. I always enjoy reading your advice because I do generally *try* to carry my relationships in a similar manner to the way you do.

it can be the same when you are married: you will still need to carve time out for yourselves. you might be crazy about each other and not want to hurt the other by *asking* for time that you prolly really need to yourselves, separately.
I will take this and do my best with it. Thanks
 
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HelenDanger wrote :
Maybe he's in your life for a reason. You say you and your ex never fought. This guy is teaching you how to be with someone and fight. So, plenty to learn there. You don't have to be with him forever. Just enjoy what is and leave when you're through.

I always agree with your advice. I do with this as well. I really hope we can learn how to fight...and get it all worked out. I do love him a lot. But if we don't...then we will have both learned much. And I will be in a better position for the next person.
 
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I will disagree with everyone. You don't fight frequently for no reason, or to learn something. You fight because you have major personality/pysche conflicts. Save yourself and him both some time and money, be accountable for your decisions and move on.
 
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I will disagree with everyone. You don't fight frequently for no reason, or to learn something. You fight because you have major personality/pysche conflicts. Save yourself and him both some time and money, be accountable for your decisions and move on.
Hey!!!...LOL...I didn't agree with anyone else here either....I don't think this sounds like a healthy relationship....to have this much fighting at the beginning of a relationship...or ever....does not bode well at all....
 
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Ingytravel wrote :
Hey!!!...LOL...I didn't agree with anyone else here either....I don't think this sounds like a healthy relationship....to have this much fighting at the beginning of a relationship...or ever....does not bode well at all....
I can't seem to multi quote, I wanted to reply to you too Red.

I recognize this isn't healthy. So does he. We don't want to continue on down this path.

I'm guess I'm just frustrated and sad that it isn't working. I was hoping someone would have a major epiphany for me. It's hard to break up when you love someone. It's hard to walk away wondering if maybe things would be different, maybe we didn't try hard enough or do the right things. It's hard when both of your families have met and liked each other, you like each others friends...you love everything about that person and can't for the life of you understand why arguing happens so much.

I'm debating giving it another month or two...I think I am going to step back a bit and give us each more me time. I know that he's right stressed out in his job and owed taxes (debt is stressful)...I think him being on edge doesn't help with our situation. Maybe sleep and man time will help...

It's so funny. I'm always the first one to say get out if it's not working...but I can't walk away right now. It doesn't feel right. I just don't want to wait until we can't stand each other, if it's going to end, I want it to be on good terms. I guess I'll see how this month goes...*sigh*
 
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