Copepod is offline Copepod Post #1  July 6,2010, 1:21pm
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Hi Fellows!

I hope you guys are doing well this evening. I was wondering of any one of you could share your opinions on cases where people you personally know as a friend of a family member who were truly un-datable. Now here is the interesting thing. There are many reason why a person can be classified as un-datable starting with your average dush-bags, disrespectful or rude fellows who hurt others or the person they want to date. I am trying to center more on those guys who are in fact well mannered, respectful, educated, clean, successful, and by all means good in paper but completely ignored by woman. I need to extract the essence of what makes truly un-datable, the traits, What is it that makes women turn around and say NO! to them ...but YES to anyone else. I am trying to gather evidence that I can possibly put in a study that includes myself (never had a girl in my life, not even here in e-h!) as a truly un-datable specimen. I am looking for a common primer, something that e-harmony will make me see better, than at other places, such as the bar or a different dating site.
I suspect e-harmony, unlike other dating sites has an advantage, in terms of finding a compatible mates, based on several personality components, however when it comes to truly seen a potential date, as soon as a person sees the picture and threads two or other 3 other factors, the match is ignored or accepted, which in return defeats the purpose of the complex analysis everyone was exposed in the first place. It pretty much brings you back to the very same choice you may have made on..lets say plenty of fish or yahoo.com
Thus a truly un-datable person, no matter what site they may go onto, if not re-inventing themselves (lying) will successfully have 0 matches no matter what site they use. What is the real component that drives 0 women to respond. What is more interesting is that all of this is in an electronic format where you do not even get to know the person in real life. There has to be a primer for rejection that exist prior to even coming close to knowing the person even when things look as if they should fit. I am very curious to see a pattern in the picture. It almost seems magical to me. In any case, let me know what you think!
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Mr79percent is offline Mr79percent Post #2  July 6,2010, 1:45pm
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So..it sounds to me like you want to know why you don't get any responses. The answer---the potential reasons are legion. The don't see a common interest. You are overweight. You are underweight. You are too unattractive. You are too attractive for them. You make too much money. You make too little money. You have too much going on in your life so you would never have time for them. You have too little going on in your life so they think you are smothering. You have too little relationship experience--some women won't date a male over 35 who has never been married. You have too much relationship experience that ended in failure (divorced twice? ugh). You don't have kids and they do. You have kids and they do, they don't want to have that many kids in a household. You have kids and they don't want them. They are in a relationship already. They are not in a relationship but taking a break. You are creepy. You seem too suave and they suspect you are a player. You profile is dull. Your profile is too interesting and they don't think they measure up.

You get the idea? For me, I'm not curious about no responses. I'm more curious when they answer...Why me?
 
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I highly doubt that you are "undateable". More likely, you are simply engaging in some low status behaviour that turns women off. The two simplest and easiest answers are: being boring and/or lacking confidence.

Appearance can potentially be a factor if you are extremely good-looking or really ugly but as long as you look normal/average it shouldn't be an issue.

EH isn't a magic bullet. If you have issues meeting women in real life you will have the same issues meeting them online - at EH or any other site.
 
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I don't think anyone is undateable. Haven't you ever looked around a mall or restaurant or movie theater and wondered how on earth someone like THAT ever got a date/girlfriend/wife? There are people for everyone. I don't think there is just one "right" person for everyone, but several. For me, it's almost as important matching up my quirks and flaws with someone else's and trying to find someone who I won't drive crazy and won't drive me crazy. I don't care what he looks like, but he has to be smart, funny and kind. Looks are packaging. There are women out there for you, you just have to put yourself out there and maybe go past your comfort zone to try to make connections.
 
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One note: you said you never had a girl. Do not put that in your profile. And Slaw is right--lack of confidence is a major turnoff. Based upon your education, you shouldn't have to apologize for anything.
 
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In addition to the previous comments, I would say that online dating is not for everyone. It works well for people who can present themselves well in a profile and who can be engaging in introductory phone calls. That is not true for everyone, but it does not mean that other people are undatable.

I would recommend that you expand your social circle by joining activity groups that interest you. That way people can get to know you over a longer period of time.
 
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annother wrote :
In addition to the previous comments, I would say that online dating is not for everyone. It works well for people who can present themselves well in a profile and who can be engaging in introductory phone calls. That is not true for everyone, but it does not mean that other people are undatable.

I would recommend that you expand your social circle by joining activity groups that interest you. That way people can get to know you over a longer period of time.
Outstanding idea. Wish I'd thought of it. :-)
 
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Thank you so much for your replies!. It is great to see that other do pay attention to our thoughts and worries. I know I sounded a bit bitter on the first post but at this point I am content being at the point where I am at. What may have been a feeling of dismay and frustration is turning into a feeling of curiosity and intellectual awareness. I was just reading a different post on attractiveness and I see a common trend where attractiveness even on an electronic format such as an e-h profile, can be clearly sensed by females. A picture can tell a spell a thousand traits that are recognized in a fraction of a second. A electronic profile makes the capability of choosing a mate much more based on primal desirable instincts where the real value of the person may not even be a factor to consider. Now I am not referring to the actual process of meeting the person or talking on the phone which entail pre-aproval on your part, but rather that first fraction of a second decision that makes your finger click the left mouse button to reply or skip it the profile. There are an innumerable number of variables, however is the electronic format capable of enhancing a particular signal that other males lack, such as lack of facial symmetry, dimorphism, coupled with success or apparent income, amongst others which in return would make one male datable and the other un-datable. Whether in real life or electronically, the factor must be the same. I've had conversations with women in the past however, I find that woman choose other man since day one. This I find interesting, What is the true signal for choosing the mate and likewise the lack of such signal in a non-datable men when there seem to be not detrimental reason to not choose a him. :-P
 
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Copepod wrote :
Thank you so much for your replies!. It is great to see that other do pay attention to our thoughts and worries. I know I sounded a bit bitter on the first post but at this point I am content being at the point where I am at. What may have been a feeling of dismay and frustration is turning into a feeling of curiosity and intellectual awareness. I was just reading a different post on attractiveness and I see a common trend where attractiveness even on an electronic format such as an e-h profile, can be clearly sensed by females. A picture can tell a spell a thousand traits that are recognized in a fraction of a second. A electronic profile makes the capability of choosing a mate much more based on primal desirable instincts where the real value of the person may not even be a factor to consider. Now I am not referring to the actual process of meeting the person or talking on the phone which entail pre-aproval on your part, but rather that first fraction of a second decision that makes your finger click the left mouse button to reply or skip it the profile. There are an innumerable number of variables, however is the electronic format capable of enhancing a particular signal that other males lack, such as lack of facial symmetry, dimorphism, coupled with success or apparent income, amongst others which in return would make one male datable and the other un-datable. Whether in real life or electronically, the factor must be the same. I've had conversations with women in the past however, I find that woman choose other man since day one. This I find interesting, What is the true signal for choosing the mate and likewise the lack of such signal in a non-datable men when there seem to be not detrimental reason to not choose a him. :-P
How long have you been on dating sites?
The truth is...there is no magic formula. If there was, someone in Hollywood or New York would have written a book and put all the dating sites out of business.

There could be any number of variables as to why you're not having success, and rather than contemplating the universe here, why not just put your profile up for review?

You'd immediately get honest responses that would be based upon an actual profile, and from that you'd get better feedback as to what changes to make, if need be.

Right now. you seem to be interested in engaging into some tangent of suppositions that you are throwing around, hoping to find out what sticks to the wall....
It may be amusing, but what will the results be, and what, if anything concrete are you going to take away from it??

Are you going to be any closer to actually getting a date?(which is what you seem to be after anyway)
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Someone is not focusing on the positive?

You attract what you are.
 
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