Why do nice guys have to finish last?


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Matthew333 is offline Matthew333 Post #1  August 1,2009, 9:34pm
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I am out of ideas so posting this here in hopes you all can help me. I am a nice guy, its just who i am. Anyways this is my trend right now . I go through GC , and talk to a match, things go pretty well normally. And often talk on the phone a couple of days pretty heavy and frequent then go out on the first date, things seem to go well. I am a gentleman, for me its who i am not a means to impress. My date and i talk usually for a long time after dinner til one of us has to go. I walk my date to her car and say good night. normally the feed back from my date is " your just such a really sweet nice guy" followed by a hug. (also about 50% mention they think i'm a "cutie" ) That phrase is starting to become like the kiss O' death to me because , they say its alright to keep calling them but its normally the last date they end up going with me. At this point i think everything is going good normally if you asked me how the date went most of the time I'd say " i think it went pretty well" ( but then as my profile would tell you i sorta lack in the area of perception.) From the next day on I don't start to hear from them as much after as i did before , i try to stay in contact, but it seems they are not as interested to talk to me for the same length of time they did before the first date. and sorta feel blown off. Like example what was once normally say 3 to 4 hour long chats gets reduced to 15 to 20 mins. Til eventually they tell me again how sweet and nice and wonderful i am to them, but they feel no chemistry andthey feel we should see other people , but yet still want me to stay as there friend. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong I'm polite, honest, sweet, respectful courteous, generous, tolerant, forgiving, , thoughtful, sometimes even pampering. I'm from the old school of thought where the guy Always pays for the date. Now granted while i am 35 years old i don't have a ton of dating experience, due to I was in a 12 year relationship in my life with my ex wife who i was married to for 10 of the 12 years. but i don't know what i could do different. Really including my ex wife have only been in 3 relationships my entire life, one of which was after my divorce and , probably only went on dates with only about 5 or 6 people since my divorce, and 2 since my last relationship. I'm very open and pretty hard to offend , but do any of you have some advice for me, like how i can improve, or what my problem area is? what I'm looking for is a relationship. I'm also a one woman kinda guy , i don't multitask well and learned early in life its best to keep things simple so i tend to focus on a single person at a time til i know if anything is gonna happen between us and if not i move on to the next 1 person. I have ADHD and it seems this is the only way i can do this, is 1 person at a time. Anyways thanks for your help , and take care , I'll keep my eyes peeled here to see if anyone responds.
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brneyedangel is offline brneyedangel Post #2  August 1,2009, 9:57pm
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It may be that you are not doing anything wrong at all! Sometimes when people go out, one of them just doesn't feel that "spark," and while they may really like you as a person and enjoy your company, they may not see any long term relationship potential. I'm sure you will find this is the case on your end as you continue to date, as well.

The important thing is to stay true to yourself. You can only be the person you are, and it sounds like you are a decent guy. My advice would be that you don't give up, even though it may be frustrating to receive the same response from women. You may also want to take a look at these women and see if there is a common thread there--a common quality or something that they may have all said in their profile that may tip you off as to why you are receiving the same response from them.

I wish you nothing but the best of luck!
 
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You sound like a really great guy to me, in many respects.
Nice guys are REALLY nice in my book, and they never finish last.

I see 2 potential reasons for the problems you are experiencing:
1. You are not conveying your interest strongly enough - maybe you are doing or saying something that makes those women believe that you are not ready to date or be in a committed relationship again.
2. You have not met the right woman, who "gets" you for who you really are, even despite the mixed signals you may or may not be sending out.

Maybe it's a combination of both.

Please do not give up! We, women, need more nice guys like you.
When you meet the right woman, make sure she knows that you ARE interested in a relationship with her, and also that you are ready for it.

Maybe you even already know one woman, who can go the distance with you, IF you reassure her that you are ready to take that next step from casual to maybe not-so-casual?

Good Luck and Keep the Faith!
 
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you're fine. those are solid numbers for a solid person.

my only thought is three to four hour chats are too long. there's a whole timing thing, and that's a burn out rate. young people do that, and maybe you have the impression it should work that way from your own youth - but i highly suspect they only make it through that mistake by virtue of their youthful excesses of time, energy, and inexperience.
 
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You're not necessarily doing anything wrong, you're just not dating women who feel any chemistry between you. It's no ones fault, it's just one of those things.
It's very difficult to say what you might be doing wrong without actually going on a date with you or interviewing your previous dates, possibly nothing at all, the spark is there or it isn't, and if it isn't then they are going to cut back on communication with you and concentrate on people they may be better matched with. That is after all the whole purpose of dating, to try each other on for size and find the perfect fit.

To be honest if you're expecting to have great chemistry with absolutely everyone you ever date from a dating site then that's a little unrealistic. It would be wonderful if things worked that way, it'd save us all a lot of pulled out hair, but it doesn't. No matter how many points of compatibility they match you on with prospective partners, no matter how well the initial emails and phone calls go, there will always be that little something extra on the first date that makes or breaks it, that little something that makes the two of you click and think "Wow!! I want to do that again!!" It's often impossible to define what that is exactly, you can single out specific things that you liked but the connection, the spark, that's an over all feeling, a synergy.

I'm always a little bit wary of giving advice on how to click on dates beyond the obvious, since following it invariably means consciously behaving in ways that aren't natural to you. Sure it may mean you get more second and third dates, but if you're getting them by being someone other than who you truly are deep down inside then it's just delaying the inevitable realization that you're just not suited to each other, and your date is kinda being led up the garden path.
Of course if the behavior you are modifying is something that you view as a negative that you truly wish to change in yourself then that's all well and good, i'm all for self improvement, provided you're not just doing it to impress and can keep it up all the way through your relationships.

About all i can say is just be yourself and keep trying, the right person is out there just waiting to be found, someone who will appreciate all of your qualities and not only "get" you for who you are, but dig it too.
 
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gothustartus wrote :
About all i can say is just be yourself and keep trying, the right person is out there just waiting to be found, someone who will appreciate all of your qualities and not only "get" you for who you are, but dig it too.

Ha! But where does she start digging?
 
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jayjay is offline jayjay Post #7  August 2,2009, 12:36am
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...things seem to have gotten quiet around here.

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Everything in your post is asking why women don't want you. It almost seems to be implied that you will like and want any woman that might come along. Doesn't that tell you something....and possibly indicate at least part of what your problem is? YOU should be sorting through and choosing from the women you date as much as they are with you. Yet, what you wrote seems to indicate you'll take anything that comes along.
 
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Dating is so tough and it can be so discouraging at times to the point that you feel as if you just want to give up! But I feel that you have to be happy with yourself and just hang in there and not settle for less that what you deserve. Both people have to have chemistry for each other and just because she may not be feeling it does mean there is anything wrong with you, you are just not the one for her. Just keep dating and enjoy the dinner and see what happens, don't go into it with expectations. Don't be so hard on yourself and keep searching. take Care and good luck!
 
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1. Try to limit the pre-meeting phone calls. Two hours at a time is usually a mistake, any more for sure is.

2. Set up a "first meeting" not "first date".

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I get a sense (and I've probably made this mistake too) that you are just coming off "too interested" (with the long phone calls & long first date). I think after the fact the women are being scared away. (There's a fine line between interested and needy.)
 
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I am out of ideas so posting this here in hopes you all can help me. I am a nice guy, its just who i am. Anyways this is my trend right now . I go through GC , and talk to a match, things go pretty well normally. And often talk on the phone a couple of days pretty heavy and frequent then go out on the first date, things seem to go well. I am a gentleman, for me its who i am not a means to impress. My date and i talk usually for a long time after dinner til one of us has to go. I walk my date to her car and say good night. normally the feed back from my date is " your just such a really sweet nice guy" followed by a hug. (also about 50% mention they think i'm a "cutie" ) That phrase is starting to become like the kiss O' death to me because , they say its alright to keep calling them but its normally the last date they end up going with me. At this point i think everything is going good normally if you asked me how the date went most of the time I'd say " i think it went pretty well" ( but then as my profile would tell you i sorta lack in the area of perception.) From the next day on I don't start to hear from them as much after as i did before , i try to stay in contact, but it seems they are not as interested to talk to me for the same length of time they did before the first date. and sorta feel blown off. Like example what was once normally say 3 to 4 hour long chats gets reduced to 15 to 20 mins. Til eventually they tell me again how sweet and nice and wonderful i am to them, but they feel no chemistry andthey feel we should see other people , but yet still want me to stay as there friend. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong I'm polite, honest, sweet, respectful courteous, generous, tolerant, forgiving, , thoughtful, sometimes even pampering. I'm from the old school of thought where the guy Always pays for the date. Now granted while i am 35 years old i don't have a ton of dating experience, due to I was in a 12 year relationship in my life with my ex wife who i was married to for 10 of the 12 years. but i don't know what i could do different. Really including my ex wife have only been in 3 relationships my entire life, one of which was after my divorce and , probably only went on dates with only about 5 or 6 people since my divorce, and 2 since my last relationship. I'm very open and pretty hard to offend , but do any of you have some advice for me, like how i can improve, or what my problem area is? what I'm looking for is a relationship. I'm also a one woman kinda guy , i don't multitask well and learned early in life its best to keep things simple so i tend to focus on a single person at a time til i know if anything is gonna happen between us and if not i move on to the next 1 person. I have ADHD and it seems this is the only way i can do this, is 1 person at a time. Anyways thanks for your help , and take care , I'll keep my eyes peeled here to see if anyone responds.
you are not doing anything wrong except maybe second guessing yourself. dont change a thing
 
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