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tbesq wrote :


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That's whymen are taught that we should never ask a woman herage or weight, but men should neverexpect reciprocal treatment. Thus, weight discrimination--> bad; height discrimination --> OK.


Weight is of itself a very bad indication of size, Tbesq. I do weight training - therefore I am a lot heavier on the scales than my dress size would indicate.


With weight training a woman can easily be 10 pounds (or more)heavier than another woman and be a dress size (or more) smaller than the lighter woman. I believe with men the difference is more marked.


Muscle weighs more than fat - in fact when you first start weight training you put on weight but lose inches.


I understand that, and I think men can see the difference between a bigger woman who's fit and an overweight/obese woman who's not trying to do anything about it. These are the women that men are not attracted to.


Regardless of how it breaks down, weight/body size preferences should be respected, and they aren't.


Tbesq, I actually did figure YOU did know. I was posting more for the general readership. I know a lot of men DON'T know, so I never give my weight when anyone asks, because I know what they will think (besides, I have to convert it anyway). I will give a bra size - THAT they can relate to!


And no, neither you nor D_Lion may ask!


Yes, I agree - the preference should be respected, I have no problem with that at all. I expect people to respect my men of colour preference, surely I can respect your body type preference!
- January 10th, 2009, 09:34 pm
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D_Lion wrote :

Not sure how relevant it is, but this thread is going to need all the help it can get.

I recently had Australian. Okay, there, my secret is out.

Beef, I mean. Now the grocery store has organic Australian beef (and it was $2/lb less than the US version of the same cut – how the heck does beef get from Australia to the US and cost less, I have no idea?)

If you don’t think we should eat that much corn syrup, wait till you find out how many billions in subsidies we pay to ensure we continue to do so!

I was almost ready to do a little happy dance for you D_Lion!!!


Then is was only your dinner.


Did you like it? Try kangaroo if you can get it - very low in fat. Don't overcook it though!


It gets there cheaper because of the current exchange rate (and I'm telling a fellow accountant this). We LOVE it - boosts our economy nicely - and it was already good! You won't be the only one buying our beef.
- January 10th, 2009, 09:38 pm
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D_Lion - I'll tell you something else about your food.


New Zealand exports a lot of dairy products to the USA - butthey have to meet USA specifications -which declare that the New Zealand milk is too high in protein - it has to be modified before the dairy products are exported.


So even something as natural as MILK is fiddled with before you get to consume it.
- January 10th, 2009, 09:41 pm
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I knew somebody who was under 5'4" and about 300lbs and she kept trying to convince me that she's 'average' size....but repeatedly asked me "Am I fat? Am I fat?? Am I fat??"


I answered with "You just have to watch what you eat more carefully".


She got upset....and this is while she was eating a home made (few slices of) bacon sandwich...WHILE waiting for delivery pizza to come.


TRUE STORY.


So should've I lied...smiled and tell her 'no honey...you look just like Angelina Jolie" I think not.


I don't go out keep asking women...am I tall? am I tall?? am I tall? I KNOW I'm not tall...so I'm not out there trying to repeatedly ask women about it (especially those who PREFER tall men and I'll get the stupid subjective answer).


But the not superficial friends of mine (who actually about my height) told me I'm not short..so I go by what they say rather than listening to some women who desire to be 'petite' by dating 6'6" men.


- January 10th, 2009, 09:48 pm
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py, wrote :
So should've I lied...smiled and tell her 'no honey...you look just like Angelina Jolie" I think not.

no you tell her... "no baby your very thin for your weight."





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I don't go out keep asking women...am I tall? am I tall?? am I tall? I KNOW I'm not tall...

nooo, your very tall for your height.





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- January 10th, 2009, 10:54 pm
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PY wrote :

I knew somebody who was under 5'4" and about 300lbs and she kept trying to convince me that she's 'average' size....but repeatedly asked me "Am I fat? Am I fat?? Am I fat??"


I answered with "You just have to watch what you eat more carefully".


She got upset....and this is while she was eating a home made (few slices of) bacon sandwich...WHILE waiting for delivery pizza to come.


TRUE STORY.


So should've I lied...smiled and tell her 'no honey...you look just like Angelina Jolie" I think not.


I don't go out keep asking women...am I tall? am I tall?? am I tall? I KNOW I'm not tall...so I'm not out there trying to repeatedly ask women about it (especially those who PREFER tall men and I'll get the stupid subjective answer).


But the not superficial friends of mine (who actually about my height) told me I'm not short..so I go by what they say rather than listening to some women who desire to be 'petite' by dating 6'6" men.

PY,


I always enjoy your posts, but as of late they have been quite entertaining. Thank you for that


- January 11th, 2009, 12:31 am
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ddrjj, wrote :

Saw recent posting from a woman, asking "why men all want women with Barbie doll figures"?


This is the type of whine heard frequently from overweight women who aren't succeeding in the dating world. The reality is that most men aren't looking necessarily for "Barbie" type figures; they just don't like fat girls, which seems to be an increasing problem among American women (and men, but to a lesser degree statistically)


To me and I know many other men, it's the biggest dealbreaker in terms of initial attraction to a woman. And it's not just a cosmetic thing; it also speaks volumes about a woman's respect for herself and her body. I admire a person when they can have both strong mind and sound body, as the ancients used to advise. And of course there are serious long-term health consequences of overweight, so it really is a major personal health concern too.


I know there's a movement afoot to "empower fat"--i.e., try to convince the world that being overweight is just fine. If a woman wants to remain fat, that's her prerogative--just don't expect that the male world will then conform to your opinion of what's attractive! And I can tell you many men aren't truthful about these preferences--they just don't call back.


I'm sure this will generate a flurry of responses, mainly from fat chicks, about how OK they are, that I'm superficial for these opinions, beauty is on the inside, etc. etc. Well save your time ladies--no one is saying it's the only thing that's important in a relationship and of course inner attributes ultimately carry the day. But that doesn't get around the point of what initially attracts many men (or repels them!), whether you like that fact or not


So drop the Doritos, and get to the gym!

You're using a pretty lame rant on weight. You've expressed clearly your dislike for overweight women as far as physical attraction, and you've successfully clumped why women are overweight into one category: laziness


It constantly amazes me how myopic guys like you really are and one of the reasons some women do gain weight is being made wrong and humiliated by their SO's and made to feel worse about themselves. Rude and obnoxious comments aren't going to encourage someone to loose weight.


I had an ex who said horrid things about overweight women . . . that's one of the reasons why he's an ex among others. I'll tell ya, slender women don't appreciate or even want to be around menwho dis womenfor any reason, especially weight.


I am not overweight, but some guy comes off like you do, it's an automatic Deal Breaker. You hae a right to your opinion but you have no right to be abusive and rediculously judgemental in your language regarding women of size.
- January 11th, 2009, 01:41 am
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Songryder I don't think I have ever disagreed with you - but this time I am. I don't think ddjrr's post was rude or obnoxious. Nor was he being judgemental - he stated basic facts, plus his opinion. He should definitely have refrained from using the term"fat chicks" - not at all helpful - but overlooking his rather rudimentary use of language, I think his argument stands on health grounds.


I DO agree with you that making such comments to an overweight person is NOT helpful.


In this case we are not speaking of a person speaking to or about their SO - we are speaking of people's preferences and the defences often offered up for being unhealthy. Let's not use the words overweight or obese, just stick to unhealthy. PY's example was a classic. We've all seen it - unhealthy people scoffing down hot chips (fries??) in the lift.


I also want to say here that Australia is currently mortified that we have statistically overtaken the USA on this problem - so I'm not bashing Americans - I am quoting USA statistics because Australian stats would be pretty meaningless to you guys. I have a VERY close and very dear relative with this problem so I am not speaking without direct experience of the issues.


Apart from those with a medically diagnosed condition that has lead to their weight issue, most CAN be lumped into one category - men and women - of lazy. What other cause can be offered up as being a reason for being overweight? The other major contributing factor is lack of portion control - eat like an elephant and guess what happens? we don't need the amount of food available to us - just don't eat it!


The following is from the Crossroads Initiative. Notice the figure of 78% are not meeting basic activity recommendations for a healthy life. To me thatqualifies as lazy. Add to that the unhealthy eating (too lazy to cook) and you have a recipe for disaster. It takes longer to get take-away than it does to cook a steak and steamed vegetables at home (5 minutes MAX) so I don't buy the "I have no time to cook" argument.


We DO have people posting on these boards who have taken control of their own personal situation and made terrific progress and I loudly applaude their efforts. I know they are getting more out of life every day. They are not offering up excuses, they are DOING something about it.


USA Obesity Rates Reach Epidemic Proportions


• 58 Million Overweight; 40 Million Obese; 3 Million morbidly Obese
• Eight out of 10 over 25's Overweight
• 78% of American's not meeting basic activity level recommendations
• 25% completely Sedentary
• 76% increase in Type II diabetes in adults 30-40 yrs old since 1990



Obesity Related Diseases


• 80% of type II diabetes related to obesity
• 70% of Cardiovascular disease related to obesity
• 42% breast and colon cancer diagnosed among obese individuals
• 30% of gall bladder surgery related to obesity
• 26% of obese people having high blood pressure



Obesity Related Disease Costs Overwhelm HealthCare System


• Type II Diabetes ($63.14 Billion)
• Osteoporosis ($17.2 Billion)
• Hypertension ($3.23 Billion)
• Heart Disease ($6.99 Billion)
• Post-menopausal breast cancer ($2.32 Billion)
• Colon Cancer ($2.78 Billion)
• Endometrial Cancer ($790 Million)



Cost of Lost Productivity


• Workdays lost: $39.3 Million
• Physician office visits: $62.7 Million
• Restricted Activity days: $29.9 Million
• Bed-Related days: $89.5 Million

- January 11th, 2009, 04:38 am
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The overweight epidemic has several causes, and it'snot onlylaziness. A big factor is time. After working 60 hours a week, plus commuting time, who has time for exercise. God forbid if children are in the picture.


Another problem is thatour society wants instantaneous results and losing weight is not an overnight thing, especially if you are obese or morbidly obese. People want to lose weight, but don't want to make the time or exert the energy to do so.That is why we have all the fad diets. Unfortunately, these might help someone lose weight in the short-term, but in the long-term it is impossible to keep the weight off because people will go back to eating unhealthy and regain the weight. I've seen and heard it too often. Look at Oprah.


I understand that men don't find obesity attractive. I don't find it attractive either. But beautystarts on the "inside". I've met some attractive men who opened their mouths and the venom that came out was more off-putting than a few extra pounds would ever be.


Now, if only I could meet that special person who wasa decent personinside and out, who I was attracted to and was attracted to me, then I wouldn't be single anymore.
- January 11th, 2009, 05:14 am
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The term "FAT CHIC" is demeaning. It depersonalizes and makes women an "object" rather than a live human. It encourages men to dehumanize and objectify another human being.


Weight is a descriptor, not a character virtue. As long as our society continues to objectify women, it will continue to devalue their humanity. Let us move beyond the chains that keeps women bound to the standards of men. Each and everyone of us has a responsibility to ourselves. Society does not call men "fat roosters" because the importance of their appearance comes second to their contributions to the world. A good example is how our most influential men are not described in terms of "wardrobes" and "shoes" but our influential women are often the target of such comments, as if it has anything to do with their potential. We are moving slowly towards equality in all areas, this "fat chic" issue is just another superficial reason to keep women devalued."Become the change you seek in the world" (sound familiar?). That is my opinion.
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