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Hi all,

So a bit about myself. I am a 23 year old masters educated man, who is cute, confident, funny and charming (I promise I'm not cocky, this part adds to the story.)

However, I have a tendency to get jealous or hurt by comments or actions by girls even when they have no intended reason to hurt or are even worthy of getting jealous about.

I have broke up or stopped dating girls in the past because of flirting with my friends or talking inappropriately to ex's (as in reminiscing about sex with them.) These things I do feel are worthy of breaking up, but there are other times when I still get jealous when I shouldn't.

So now on to the present... I am currently seeing this girl exclusively for about two weeks now (been talking for 4 weeks or so). We both have an amazing connection and I've never felt so alike to another girl before. The only thing that she occasionally will do is comment on the attractiveness of a celebrity. Granted, in the beginning when I talk to girls I ask about celebrity crushes as a way to see what their types are... so in a way I opened up a can of worms with that one. So we both exchange our celebrity crushes... both male and female for both, lol. That doesn't bother me because I asked the question and I couldn't disagree with her choices and she didn't show an ounce of jealousy over mine. However, if I'm not the one asking the question about it I tend to get sensitive and then I think why would she say that even though I know it's not meant to harm?

What I try to tell myself is that she will comment on BOTH male and female celebrities objectively that are good looking. So it makes me feel better knowing that she would make these comments about any attractive celebrity and just not males (no she is not a lesbian or bi.)

Also every girl I've ever dated or been in a relationship with does tend to open up their mouths and say things about their past in too much detail or about celebrities in more details than I would like. It's made me feel more like I'm the crazy one then the girls themselves as every girl tends to do this. I would like both a guy's and a girl's opinion on this issue because I want to learn not to get so anxious about a meaningless comment or something in the past that has no bearing on the future. I am very inquisitive person and try to summarize stuff so this is my rationale.

My rationale: Girls tend to be more like open books with their lives. They are more apt to say celebrity crushes, talk about ex's and their past and not see it as a bad thing. They see celebrities as unattainable and are not in love with them nor would they cheat on a partner to get with them (I hope). It's just a fun thing to develop crushes on the characters or actors. What women ultimately want are stability, support, love over good looks so these celebrities can't provide that anyways.

Guys are obviously more reserved. We see attractive people on the tv all the time but tend to internalize it and instead immediately think of them in bed. We see no point in commenting on another celebrity's hotness as it has no impact or good in the relationship. Guy's tend to talk about other girls to their friends as opposed to their girlfriend, while girl's seem more okay with talking about it with their boyfriend.

So I'd like to hear people's thoughts on my interpretations of the situation. I know someone will suggest I am insecure and have low-confidence, but I think if anything it's more the other way. I get so offended at the thought that a girl I am interested in finds somebody else attractive... GASP. Not that I think they will cheat on me, but that they would even tell me about it. I have control issues and don't do well with unpredictability... that much I know and I do need a lot of reassurance... it's definitely something I have improved on and am working on more. It's just not in my personality to out loud say a celebrity I find attractive, but I have to become more accepting that will happen every now and then and not to react so strongly when it does since it means nothing. I really like this girl so far and don't want to lose her over anything meaningless. : )

Hope to get some feedback on people's thoughts or people who have been in this position before.

Thanks!
 
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You pretty much included my response in your own message. As much as you say you're confident and secure, you aren't, that's what jealousy is. You're only 23 so I actually understand it, as I used to be the same way. Fact of the matter is, you eventually learn to not care so much - you learn to pick your battles and being jealous isn't a battle you're ever going to win, you will look bad EVERY time. To get upset/jealous over 'he/she's hot stuff is trivial, especially when it comes to celebrities. C'mon, really? How realistic is that? Even if a significant other did have a chance with a celebrity, you think it's going to develop into anything serious? I dunno, worry about what you can control and not what you can't...anyone can walk away with no reason at all, you need to do your part to make sure you're worth keeping, and being jealous isn't going to help that cause.
 
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Hi all,

So a bit about myself. I am a 23 year old masters educated man, who is cute, confident, funny and charming (I promise I'm not cocky, this part adds to the story.)

However, I have a tendency to get jealous or hurt by comments or actions by girls even when they have no intended reason to hurt or are even worthy of getting jealous about.

I have broke up or stopped dating girls in the past because of flirting with my friends or talking inappropriately to ex's (as in reminiscing about sex with them.) These things I do feel are worthy of breaking up, but there are other times when I still get jealous when I shouldn't.

So now on to the present... I am currently seeing this girl exclusively for about two weeks now (been talking for 4 weeks or so). We both have an amazing connection and I've never felt so alike to another girl before. The only thing that she occasionally will do is comment on the attractiveness of a celebrity. Granted, in the beginning when I talk to girls I ask about celebrity crushes as a way to see what their types are... so in a way I opened up a can of worms with that one. So we both exchange our celebrity crushes... both male and female for both, lol. That doesn't bother me because I asked the question and I couldn't disagree with her choices and she didn't show an ounce of jealousy over mine. However, if I'm not the one asking the question about it I tend to get sensitive and then I think why would she say that even though I know it's not meant to harm?

What I try to tell myself is that she will comment on BOTH male and female celebrities objectively that are good looking. So it makes me feel better knowing that she would make these comments about any attractive celebrity and just not males (no she is not a lesbian or bi.)

Also every girl I've ever dated or been in a relationship with does tend to open up their mouths and say things about their past in too much detail or about celebrities in more details than I would like. It's made me feel more like I'm the crazy one then the girls themselves as every girl tends to do this. I would like both a guy's and a girl's opinion on this issue because I want to learn not to get so anxious about a meaningless comment or something in the past that has no bearing on the future. I am very inquisitive person and try to summarize stuff so this is my rationale.

My rationale: Girls tend to be more like open books with their lives. They are more apt to say celebrity crushes, talk about ex's and their past and not see it as a bad thing. They see celebrities as unattainable and are not in love with them nor would they cheat on a partner to get with them (I hope). It's just a fun thing to develop crushes on the characters or actors. What women ultimately want are stability, support, love over good looks so these celebrities can't provide that anyways.

Guys are obviously more reserved. We see attractive people on the tv all the time but tend to internalize it and instead immediately think of them in bed. We see no point in commenting on another celebrity's hotness as it has no impact or good in the relationship. Guy's tend to talk about other girls to their friends as opposed to their girlfriend, while girl's seem more okay with talking about it with their boyfriend.

So I'd like to hear people's thoughts on my interpretations of the situation. I know someone will suggest I am insecure and have low-confidence, but I think if anything it's more the other way. I get so offended at the thought that a girl I am interested in finds somebody else attractive... GASP. Not that I think they will cheat on me, but that they would even tell me about it. I have control issues and don't do well with unpredictability... that much I know and I do need a lot of reassurance... it's definitely something I have improved on and am working on more. It's just not in my personality to out loud say a celebrity I find attractive, but I have to become more accepting that will happen every now and then and not to react so strongly when it does since it means nothing. I really like this girl so far and don't want to lose her over anything meaningless. : )

Hope to get some feedback on people's thoughts or people who have been in this position before.

Thanks!
Control issues mixed with jealousy and anger are something that needs immediate attention with a therapist/counselor. And sorry to say...but it is about self esteem. If you were completely secure in who you are, you would have no issue whether someone you are dating finds anyone attractive....celebrity or not. As well as be secure enough to know that even if she cheats on you...it's not the end of the world, that life will go on and you will pick yourself back up and move on.

Being upset and devoting so much time to such a meaningless concept of a celebrity crush shows that you have some deep seated issues that need to be addressed.

A therapist, and not strangers on the internet, would be able to help you dig deeper to find out what is behind all of this.

Good luck..
 
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This issue isn't celebrity crushes, it's your reaction to them. Your reaction seems to be a symptom of something deeper. I'd suggest getting some help from a proffesional councilor/therapist.
 
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My rationale: Girls tend to be more like open books with their lives. They are more apt to say celebrity crushes, talk about ex's and their past and not see it as a bad thing. They see celebrities as unattainable and are not in love with them nor would they cheat on a partner to get with them (I hope). It's just a fun thing to develop crushes on the characters or actors. What women ultimately want are stability, support, love over good looks so these celebrities can't provide that anyways.

Guys are obviously more reserved. We see attractive people on the tv all the time but tend to internalize it and instead immediately think of them in bed. We see no point in commenting on another celebrity's hotness as it has no impact or good in the relationship. Guy's tend to talk about other girls to their friends as opposed to their girlfriend, while girl's seem more okay with talking about it with their boyfriend.
Your above rationale is nothing more than generalizations based on anecdotal evidence (your very limited experiences in life). So do try to dial down the "all girls are this" "all guys are this" thinking, will you?

With that said, let's get to the meat of the topic... and here's my advice to you... I'm afraid you've got a choice to make here: Either live in a fantasy land, or face reality.

If you'd like to live in a fantasy land, then go ahead and continue thinking that just because a girl is with you, that she will somehow magically stop finding any other guy attractive. Funny thing about that is that if you believe this, then you must believe that you either have an impressive ability over the female psyche that you can control what she finds attractive and what she doesn't... Or you think you're the most attractive person alive and therefore you set the attractive bar so high that everyone suddenly starts to pale in comparison. So which one is it there, Mr. "I promise I'm not cocky"? (I'm just exaggerating to make a point btw...)

On the other hand, if you'd like to face reality, you will realize that just because a girl is with you, it doesn't mean that she will stop finding any other guy attractive. What it DOES mean, however, is that she chooses to forsake all others and be with you regardless. So with that in mind I ask you this: Is this something you should be upset and jealous about? or is it something you should be flattered about? Because if you can't appreciate this about your GF, and instead choose to get upset at her over something that is largely out of her control (who she finds attractive and who she doesn't), then might I suggest the world of casual dating because your jealous nature will drive anyone away eventually.

One last thing to note however: It's understandable that hearing your GF go on and on about which guys she finds attractive is not a pleasant conversation to have... And honestly, I have yet to meet a girl who did this... But if this is in fact the case, I think it's perfectly fine for you to tell her: "I understand that you find others attractive and that it's innocent and you choose to be with me regardless... But can we not talk about that? It's not a pleasant thought for me, to imagine you with someone else. You can save it for your girlfriends if you'd like, that I don't mind".
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jealousy and trust go hand in hand. You need to learn to trust the women in that they wont cheat on you.

You need to address this because with your genration you are going to have many workplaces where its pretty equally distributed between men and women so you cant control her contract with men.
 
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A woman or man is not going to stop looking at the menu just because they are off the market; however, if either one is constantly comparing members of the opposite sex to their current partner, that's a problem.

That women you have been with talk about sex with their previous guy, is almost always not acceptable unless you asked a question pertaining to that subject and she is answering it.

That you have admitted to having 'control issues and don't do well with unpredictability' is an important note. That you say you are confident, is not true, because of what you go on to describe as your bent toward jealousy. Perhaps someone hurt you deeply in your past - a parent, a past girlfriend?

It is clear that there are some deeply rooted issues on which you don't yet have a grasp, and it is a good first step forward that you recognize your reactions and behaviors are not the norm. I'm with Ingy and MileHigh and also weigh in with my vote that you seek counseling to understand what is behind the jealousy and insecurity and take steps to change how you react.

You may not realize it, but without counseling, your jealousy could likely escalate. A jealous person will often seek to control his/her SO by attempting to limit the SO's contact with others, especially members of the opposite sex, demand to know details of how the SO spent his/her time apart from the other, and will often overreact to benign situations. In either sex it can lead to a situation where one is abusive toward the other.

Harry's statement that 'your jealous nature will drive anyone away eventually,' is true, but only if you don't take steps to understand and mitigate the insecurity that feeds your jealousy. Jealousy is about fear, and if you work with a therapist to uncover the source of your fear and loss of control in the relationship, you should be able to have a healthy relationship. You have to be willing to do the work because this sort of change won't happen by itself or overnight.
 
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Thank you everyone for the input, I am clinically diagnosed ocd, so I think a lot of my fears are manifested of being cheated on even though I never have. I am also a perfectionist and demand it in return sometimes when it comes to making the other person feel uncomfortable. However, a lot of these things I feel I keep inside and don't tell the girlfriend because I deem it crazy on my part... and I understand this, so I just keep it inside and I try to rationalize it. Actually most people call me an amazing boyfriend, because I am so understanding and analytical. What I ultimately break up with them for is for legit reasons, but sometimes I drive myself nuts thinking about certain things said and that's what I wish wouldn't happen because I know it's unrealistical but it's a hard habit to break. I appreciate everyone's comments. Thank you. : )

And I know you guy's don't know me so I sort of understand the concern of abuse thing... but it hurts a little to think that low of me... ouch. I've never even been in a physical fight in my life with ANYONE (male or female.) I love women and would never touch one... sigh. I must have exaggerated the issue in some way for you to think that.
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I don't think anyone is directly insinuating that you would or are capable of that, but certain character/personality traits may relate to such things. Being controlling, for one. Take the advice with a grain of salt, the intent is to help.
 
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Thank you everyone for the input, I am clinically diagnosed ocd, so I think a lot of my fears are manifested of being cheated on even though I never have. I am also a perfectionist and demand it in return sometimes when it comes to making the other person feel uncomfortable. However, a lot of these things I feel I keep inside and don't tell the girlfriend because I deem it crazy on my part... and I understand this, so I just keep it inside and I try to rationalize it. Actually most people call me an amazing boyfriend, because I am so understanding and analytical. What I ultimately break up with them for is for legit reasons, but sometimes I drive myself nuts thinking about certain things said and that's what I wish wouldn't happen because I know it's unrealistical but it's a hard habit to break. I appreciate everyone's comments. Thank you. : )

And I know you guy's don't know me so I sort of understand the concern of abuse thing... but it hurts a little to think that low of me... ouch. I've never even been in a physical fight in my life with ANYONE (male or female.) I love women and would never touch one... sigh. I must have exaggerated the issue in some way for you to think that.
Hey there. Please don't take offense to the statements I made about violence and abuse. I purposely worded them in a generic way and not as a critique of you.

It's good to know that you aren't violent and would never consider striking a woman, but I hope you understand that the traits you raised as concerns of yours can often escalate in that direction.

Thanks for sharing your OCD diagnosis. It explains a bit about why you are controlling and dislike situations where you don't feel as though you are in control. This is even more reason to discuss your concerns with a therapist - one who specializes in the area of OCD and relationships. It's very good that you want to work on things and learn how to modify your thoughts and behaviors into healthy ones so that you can have a healthy and loving relationship.

I wasn't trying to be hard on you. I was trying hard to give you good advice. I hope your feelings aren't hurt too much.
 
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