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I just wanted to say that I should have rephrased my question. I should have broadened out the question so it wasn't really stretching it out. Also, I thanked Lindsey because she was honest about 1 person in her life. And I do find it hard to believe that the members that said that they had never seen such behavior must be watching other games than the ones that I happen to see. As for Hockey, why does violence have to be involved to make the game watchable? I think it's being rationalized, so it's an acceptable part of Hockey. Hey even pro golfers display poor sportamanship sometimes.

Btw, poor sportamanship does turn into violence. My OSU football team has played in Wisconsin a few times in the past, and they have had marshmallows with rocks inside them thrown at them when they enter the stadium to play. Plus, I've seen the goalposts torn down I don't know how many times after a victory. Just these types of poor sportmanship like behavior can escalate into violence at any time. And soccer games across the pond? How many times do people tear down part of the stands to end up on the playing field? I've seen both after losing and winning games. And fights follow. And if you say that it is just a part of the game, you are rationalizing and condoning the behavior.

So, what do you suggest to change the behavior in question?



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I think it's the way that you phrase things...

As looking at the above bold...You are saying that you thanked Lindsey for being 'honest'....this implies that you think we aren't being honest...

Second line, once again, you say you find it 'hard to believe' that we aren't seeing what you are seeing...That's another comment that we aren't being honest if we don't agree with you...

Saying you don't 'like' our viewpoint is much different than just disagreeing with it. One is a personal 'feeling' about it and the other is just a factual statement.

These are off-putting statements to most of us who took time to post what we think and what we see. I watch a LOT of sports....and as mentioned...I've only seen actual physical violence once in awhile...

If you are referencing spectators, I don't consider a drunken fist fight by college kids or alumni anything that will change...When alcohol is mixed with testosterone, this will happen at times...

Yes, there have been a few tragedies when someone has used a gun or beaten someone badly in the parking lot...But that is not any different than what happens outside a bar that is closing....

It's mostly young men in their late teens to mid 20's....Those are the one's that 'take to the streets' after a win or loss of a sports championship...

I don't happen to know or be associated with anyone who exhibits this behavior....so it's not something on my radar to 'solve'...I have many other interests and concerns...

It sounds like it's very important to you, so what is your solution to all of this?


**The reason I mentioned the phrasing...is that with you being the Community Welcome Coordinator...your choice of words are even more important than ours...
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Why do guys hate losing anything(except for THAT) to women? Especially any type of competition?
i'll lose to a woman if she's honestly better/more advanced. i fenced for 7 yrs and had no problem losing to higher ranked women. i quite enjoyed one of those experiences in fact as she was an olympian. to come that close to such talent and experience it up close, first hand was cool. her abilities were so amazing i'd completely lost sight of the fact that it was an actual bout, .

arguments on the other hand, i don't like losing to women or anyone for that matter as they're subjective and most of the time, just a matter of perspective.
 
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1Horselady wrote :
As for Hockey, why does violence have to be involved to make the game watchable?

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It doesn't. There are a lot of people who really hate all the fighting. It's not part of the game and it doesn't make it any better. It is immature and can be dangerous, if not fatal. There have been quite a few studies done recently examining the effects of the violence on hockey players' brains, etc, and there is some evidence to suggest that the beatings, particularly to the head, can have an extremely negative effect. I am not a hockey fan, but I do know that violent fighting is a real problem in the sport.
 
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llw11 wrote :
...arguments on the other hand, i don't like losing to women or anyone for that matter as they're subjective and most of the time, just a matter of perspective.
you're wrong about that!
 
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1Horselady wrote :
Why do guys hate losing anything(except for THAT) to women? Especially any type of competition?
i am NOT competitive...
 
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It doesn't...
yes it does!
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We were trying to answer your question with people that we have known as relatives or dated...Just because we answered not in the way you wanted....that makes 'me' feel a bit put out...especially as you single out Lindsey by saying thanks but then scolding us.....
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Also, I thanked Lindsey because she was honest about 1 person in her life.

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Ingytravel wrote :
I think it's the way that you phrase things...

As looking at the above bold...You are saying that you thanked Lindsey for being 'honest'....this implies that you think we aren't being honest...
I realize that my first post in this thread has been the cause of an issue between the two of you, but I would really rather not be mentioned further, if that's okay. I posted innocently about a close relative and now my post has been turned into a battleground of sorts. Your disagreement is not my issue, but rather seeing my name constantly mentioned as the reason for the ongoing spat. I am sorry that what I wrote somehow caused a problem between the two of you, but I am going to request that you please leave me out of it from this point forward. I responded to the question. That is all. I don't care to be the focal point of a fight in which I have no part, except as a third party target.

Thank you.
 
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Peak accelerations as measured at the surface of the head were 160 to 180% greater from heading a soccer ball than from routine (non injurious) impacts during hockey or football, respectively. The effect of cumulative impacts at this level may lead to neurologic sequelae.

Even with this information.....hundreds of thousands of kids will join soccer, football, and hockey teams starting at an early age and always hoping to go Pro And considering soccer is the number one watched sport in the world.

We can vilify team sports all we want....but it's not going anywhere....(just like another thread in dating that 'everyone' will be a vegan in the next 50 years...lol)...not going to happen...

They are always working on better equipment and helmets to reduce the risk....but you won't ever see soccer players wearing one....

As said...in every sport...the players will get into a tiff once in awhile...but except for some fluke accident....players are not dying by the hundreds every season...

Even the fans issues...as I mentioned...those are due to alcohol and testosterone....

Now....what IS a scary number is:
More than one million people have died in car crashes over the past 25 years in the U.S., with 33,788 lives lost in 2010 alone due to distracted driving.

Don't text or drink while driving!
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yes it does!
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Hi!

Oh . . . and no it doesn't.
 
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Ingytravel wrote :
Peak accelerations as measured at the surface of the head were 160 to 180% greater from heading a soccer ball than from routine (non injurious) impacts during hockey or football, respectively. The effect of cumulative impacts at this level may lead to neurologic sequelae.

I wasn't talking about routine impacts during hockey or football, nor was I villifying team sports in general. I was talking about violent fights in hockey specifically, which have been making the news quite frequently here in Canada lately.
 
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