About Men: How emotional/sensitive should they be? And how much is too much/too little??


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Tipitina is offline Tipitina Post #21  November 21,2011, 3:54am
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GentleDoc wrote :
True strength is being yourself, not pretending to be something. That's also freedom.
Very well put... and so succinctly!

Owning and expressing your emotions is manly. A man who can cry and not be ashamed is truly strong. A man that whines and complains is a mommas-boy, and no woman feels comfortable with or admires them.

Other than that Tipitina pretty well sums up what I think of as an emotionally mature man.
Holy cow! I'm getting this put on a t-shirt. I could have used it when I was with the Drama King.
 
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Harryoss wrote :
what do YOU think is the ideal amount of "emotionally expressive" a man should be?

But how bout a person who, quite consistently, tears up at dramatic moments in a movie. Is that too sensitive? How bout one who doesn't tear up at all no matter what? Not sensitive enough?
Harry, I don't even agree with your question. The ideal amount of "emotionally expressive" is to be exactly as expressive as we feel. For me, that means watery eyes during some particularly tragic events, but never entails crying. For Tom Hanks, well, you've seen some of his movies. And ladies like him almost as much.
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First of all, thanks a bunch for the responses .

I definitely agree with all of you, that when the actions/expressions are faked, not genuine, or otherwise exaggerated, it's not right and falls into drama king territory... or maybe someone who wants to score some sympathy points with whomever they're around.

BUT! When the expression of feelings (or the lack thereof) really is genuine... What then? When Tiptina mentions "I want to know that there's a human being in there, not a machine." That's exactly my point: What would make you come to this conclusion... that he's a machine? If he doesn't get teary eyed at the death of a loved one... he's just really quiet and is trying to keep busy with whatever he can so he doesn't think about it... Is he a machine then? Or would you not fault him for this, because this is his coping mechanism?

I'm also sure at least SOME of you have heard a woman complain that her husband (or BF or whatever) never told her He loved her... or didn't do it enough. I'm sure he didn't do so because it genuinely didn't come to him as naturally is it would to other people... But at what point does this become a problem? Or is this acceptable because it's who he is, and his SO should have to learn to live with it?

And on the opposite side of the spectrum, what if the guy would get teary eyed just a little too much? I actually remember my last GF used to tear up during any confrontational situation regardless of what it was. She'd still be making perfect sense... it's not like she wouldn't make sense because she was emotional or something... Nope... it's just that the situation would bring her to tears despite her attempts to fight it. I didn't really fault her for it cause she's a woman and all, but I gotta admit... if the genders were reversed (freaky!) I'd probably think there was something wrong with her cause a man shouldn't be like that. At least not from my perspective... How bout other people's?

(Note: I understand these are very subjective... which is why I ask for people's opinions about their own preferences, and not some universal right or wrong).
 
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LOL....I'm totally guilty of springing the "what are you thinking?" question exactly as you describe. Except that I'm not actually looking for you to share your feelings or talk about how you feel about me. It's a really lazy way to engage you in a conversation or to get entertained with minimal effort on my part because I'm quite bored with just cuddling but too relaxed to come up with something better. And let's face it, because you guys think that the answer requires some kind of emotional sharing....it's kind of entertaining to see you squirm a bit.
You are just all sorts of evil, aren't you? Boy the things you must put your BF through for personal pleasure.

EDIT: Actually... I uhh.... I just reread my sentence above and well... My comment just caused myself to be intrigued... That's just... wrong...... Probably should've stuck with the word "entertainment" as opposed to "pleasure".
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Harryoss wrote :
BUT! When the expression of feelings (or the lack thereof) really is genuine... What then? When Tiptina mentions "I want to know that there's a human being in there, not a machine." That's exactly my point: What would make you come to this conclusion... that he's a machine? If he doesn't get teary eyed at the death of a loved one... he's just really quiet and is trying to keep busy with whatever he can so he doesn't think about it... Is he a machine then? Or would you not fault him for this, because this is his coping mechanism?
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I've been struggling with this concept myself, Harry. Logic tells me it's reasonable to allow someone to handle it in their own way, but I personally would want to see some demonstration of the emotion. It might be a few tears, it might be some quiet time, it might be sharing a few stories about the deceased person. In your example, I could understand the desire to keep busy, but I'd have a problem if the man didn't acknowledge the loss at all. I'd see emotional maturity if he could share a little, however succinctly, and then maybe tell me he needed to work through it on his own. I wouldn't see that as being a 'machine.'

As I mentioned, my current boyfriend is a lot less emotive when it comes to feelings than my last one was, and I'm trying to figure out what I need from him in that respect. I know he has feelings, and he can show a great depth of feeling when he's frustrated, but I don't see it as much when it comes to more positive feelings. Coincidentally, this weekend in the context of another discussion, he admitted he can be emotionally remote.

The challenge comes in understanding how he feels most comfortable communicating the positive (love, commitment, etc.), and what those feelings look and feel like to me. I'm far enough in my development to know that I can't expect him to "just know" what I need, and I know I can't change him into something he isn't, so the question is, how much can I really ask from him in this regard? And that's all I can do: ask.

(Didn't mean to hijack the topic.)
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Tipitina wrote :
Logic tells me it's reasonable to allow someone to handle it in their own way, but I personally would want to see some demonstration of the emotion.
That reminds me of the novel "The Stranger". The hero's condemned and sentenced to death for murder--in large part due to his "cold-blooded nature" because he did not display grief at his mother's funeral. It's true that society generally wants some show of emotion when something dramatic happens, and not being capable of making such a display either authentically or theatrically (think: politician) is a definite handicap.
 
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Harryoss wrote :
First of all, thanks a bunch for the responses .

I definitely agree with all of you, that when the actions/expressions are faked, not genuine, or otherwise exaggerated, it's not right and falls into drama king territory... or maybe someone who wants to score some sympathy points with whomever they're around.

BUT! When the expression of feelings (or the lack thereof) really is genuine... What then? When Tiptina mentions "I want to know that there's a human being in there, not a machine." That's exactly my point: What would make you come to this conclusion... that he's a machine? If he doesn't get teary eyed at the death of a loved one... he's just really quiet and is trying to keep busy with whatever he can so he doesn't think about it... Is he a machine then? Or would you not fault him for this, because this is his coping mechanism?

I'm also sure at least SOME of you have heard a woman complain that her husband (or BF or whatever) never told her He loved her... or didn't do it enough. I'm sure he didn't do so because it genuinely didn't come to him as naturally is it would to other people... But at what point does this become a problem? Or is this acceptable because it's who he is, and his SO should have to learn to live with it?

And on the opposite side of the spectrum, what if the guy would get teary eyed just a little too much? I actually remember my last GF used to tear up during any confrontational situation regardless of what it was. She'd still be making perfect sense... it's not like she wouldn't make sense because she was emotional or something... Nope... it's just that the situation would bring her to tears despite her attempts to fight it. I didn't really fault her for it cause she's a woman and all, but I gotta admit... if the genders were reversed (freaky!) I'd probably think there was something wrong with her cause a man shouldn't be like that. At least not from my perspective... How bout other people's?

(Note: I understand these are very subjective... which is why I ask for people's opinions about their own preferences, and not some universal right or wrong).
Couple of things to add. Firstly, I try not to judge, so if a guy chooses to be quiet and reflective rather than teary, that's his way and that's ok. I think what would bother me most would be if he didn't talk about it at all. So, I have no concept of how he is processing the sadness nor how much despair he is feeling. Even, in the case of a sad movie, no tears but a discussion afterwards on how it made him feel, is every bit as worthy as an outward display of emotion.

Second, why is this a gender specific question? What about the instances of women who do not demonstrate a certain degree of emotion or teariness under certain circumstances as culture expects? How do guys feel about this? Is it a relief that she is not one prone to crying which makes men feel so badly? Or is she a cold fish?
 
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Harryoss wrote :

I'm also sure at least SOME of you have heard a woman complain that her husband (or BF or whatever) never told her He loved her... or didn't do it enough. I'm sure he didn't do so because it genuinely didn't come to him as naturally is it would to other people... But at what point does this become a problem? Or is this acceptable because it's who he is, and his SO should have to learn to live with it?
It becomes a problem when it creates a problem in the relationship, when something becomes harder than it ever should.

As for whether it is acceptable or not, how I look at it is who asks me about it?

If a man comes to me and says life is getting difficult, I suggest he pay one sincere compliment a day or just call her during the day to see how she is doing, how her day is going. If a woman comes to me, I explain that he just is not thinking about her when he is out and about. He is going about his business. That does not mean he thinks less of her, just that he is not thinking about her at the moment and that he is not thinking about her at that moment does not mean anything.

(this is usually how it plays out in the genders. Typically, it is the man that doesn't understand what is happening and it is the woman that thinks he just should.)

Harryoss wrote :
And on the opposite side of the spectrum, what if the guy would get teary eyed just a little too much?
More later on that...
Harryoss wrote :
I actually remember my last GF used to tear up during any confrontational situation regardless of what it was. She'd still be making perfect sense... it's not like she wouldn't make sense because she was emotional or something... Nope... it's just that the situation would bring her to tears despite her attempts to fight it.
This is me. It happens because I am mad and frustrated. I stop making sense if I am hurt so if I am making sense it is because I am mad, frustrated and you probably are not seeing my point. And what is really bad about it is it takes away the righteousness of my anger, the tears do. I hate that and that makes me more upset. It is a vicious cycle!

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if the genders were reversed (freaky!) I'd probably think there was something wrong with her cause a man shouldn't be like that. At least not from my perspective... How bout other people's?
I agree and it is a double standard. I have the same type of double standard with gossip. I hate gossip but gossip in a male, it is twice as bad to hate. I can't stand it. I lose all respect for the guy, then and there.

But why don't I have the same instant reaction to a female doing that? That has always puzzled me.


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(Note: I understand these are very subjective... which is why I ask for people's opinions about their own preferences, and not some universal right or wrong).
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LOL....I'm totally guilty of springing the "what are you thinking?" question exactly as you describe. Except that I'm not actually looking for you to share your feelings or talk about how you feel about me. It's a really lazy way to engage you in a conversation or to get entertained with minimal effort on my part because I'm quite bored with just cuddling but too relaxed to come up with something better. And let's face it, because you guys think that the answer requires some kind of emotional sharing....it's kind of entertaining to see you squirm a bit.

LOL DancingFool, you're a meany. i kid i kid. and not to get off topic, but lets reverse the rolls. Man asks woman the same question. Are we in for a catastropy ourselves? I've personally be cursed woth nothing but women with walls and closed doors that are convinced that all men are born with the ability to read minds.
 
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LDJ wrote :
Second, why is this a gender specific question? What about the instances of women who do not demonstrate a certain degree of emotion or teariness under certain circumstances as culture expects? How do guys feel about this? Is it a relief that she is not one prone to crying which makes men feel so badly? Or is she a cold fish?
Good point. Harry, do you wanna open up another Thread for the reversal of rolls on this matter?
 
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