Sometimes she wonders if men can see and relate to women as people, or if they are in such a hurry that she can only make an impact herself if she behaves in a stereotypical fashion and triggers a stereotypical reaction.
The ones worth having do indeed see women as individuals. And they, in turn, want to be viewed as individuals. We don't want to be blamed for the last lousy relationship/date you had. Neither would you. And neither do we want to be tarred with the baggage you carry from those past bad experiences.....just as you wouldn't want that either. If you're still struggling to find a mate, perhaps you're projecting those gender stereotypes and it's evident to the kind of men you might prefer to date.
Most of the time the world doesn't have time for individuals. That's why we find mates. We need someone who cares enough to see us as a unique human being.
The world has plenty of time for individuals and, generally, doesn't really care if we're single or not. We find mates because we want to be part of a couple, a pair of individuals who want to share life together. It works both ways - if you want to be treated as a unique human being, you'll need to leave the baggage and the sterotypes at the train station.
The ones worth having do indeed see women as individuals. And they, in turn, want to be viewed as individuals. We don't want to be blamed for the last lousy relationship/date you had. Neither would you. And neither do we want to be tarred with the baggage you carry from those past bad experiences.....just as you wouldn't want that either. If you're still struggling to find a mate, perhaps you're projecting those gender stereotypes and it's evident to the kind of men you might prefer to date.
The world has plenty of time for individuals and, generally, doesn't really care if we're single or not. We find mates because we want to be part of a couple, a pair of individuals who want to share life together. It works both ways - if you want to be treated as a unique human being, you'll need to leave the baggage and the sterotypes at the train station.
Mates and dates see me as an individual. Mechanics, salespeople, men I don't know but need to help me lift things, etc. tend to respond better to flattery than a straightforward approach. That's what I've found in my decades on this planet.
If you are irritated or annoyed by this, then listen to the next woman you don't know instead of looking at her and thinking more about how cute or not she is while she is talking to you.
I'll bet you don't really. That's my opinion. You're not going to change it because I know it works when I need a flat tire changed ASAP by a stranger or a warning instead of a speeding ticket.
Don't blame me for recognizing other people's stereotypical behavior. That is not fair. I didn't make the world.
I can think of plenty of men who are not attracted to intelligence in a woman - those are the men who are not AS intelligent as the woman. It makes them feel not good enough, not smart enough, like the woman will eventually lose interest in them.
I don't consider intelligence at all when considering a possible relationship. Frankly, it isn't a trait I place much value in... however, it is not the case that I've met women more intelligent than myself. It's more that I don't place a high value on it precisely because it's one of my assets, and I tend to place more value what I don't possess. Although I do appreciate if someone has a similar sense of humor.
As a gal, I do find this article interesting... when it comes down to it... it's that pure animal attraction that one probably can't pen down as it varies from one to another... well, at least that's the way I think...
You are so right Scruffy!It's an incredible turn off for me if a woman just can't relate to or understand what I'm saying since I value my intelligence very much. I don't want a girl only because she's beautiful and charming because otherwise you just keep sticking to the superficial all-day talk for ever.
Many of these qualities I would consider very to extremely important in a woman. But the one that stands out for me is that she likes and understands men as men. For me there is nothing more off-putting than a woman who cannot or refuses to understand that men are different...not worse or better just different than women, and enjoy them as such. Any relationship that I've had with a woman who possesses this quality has always been more enjoyable, run more smoothly and the woman is always a person I could trust more than any other.
As for the quality of beauty being about vanity and shallowness, well I couldn't agree LESS. If you read that section carefully it talks about how grooming, dress and a careful consideration as to how she is perceived by men as being beautiful and not her actual physical appearance. While there are universally accepted standards for beauty, what is considered beautiful to most people is still very subjective. I live next to a town of around 100,000 people and the women of this town never cease to impress me. Why? It's not because they are particularly good looking but rather it's because they take very good care of themselves and their appearance. That's not to say they walk around in ball gowns but they are always well coordinated both in their dress and appearance, casual though it is. They care about their appearance and how they are perceived and this is important because it not only goes to how they look to us (men) but also reflects on how they view themselves.
As for intelligence being a quality that was conspicuously absent from the list I too was a bit confused by it...until I read the list again. Playfulness, personal maintenance, able to have mature discussions about sex, appreciation and understanding of men, affectionate, rule bender, sets aside her fears, sense of humour, all these add up to one very smart woman in my opinion. Intelligence like beauty is very subjective. While a woman may be smart to one man she may not be to another. You see ladies ultimately we don't evaluate intelligence by a woman's ability to engage in a vigorous debate about some obscure topic. Instead we know the qualities that add up to the kind of intelligence that really matters to us...the kind that will make for a fun, lasting relationship.
"I don't want clever conversation
I never want to work that hard
I just want someone that I can talk to."
Umm....I don't think you are clearly seeing this guy for who he is. He has been with two women at all times...
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