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Azalias is offline Azalias Post #1  July 8,2011, 5:28pm
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Hello everyone!

I was needing some help on just...relationships in general, I'm having a hard time finding anyone who just remotely likes me back enough to be a friend.

Despite soul-searching, analysis and asking advice from family and people who have to talk to me (religious figures/therapists), I find myself unable to establish any relationship whatsoever. They seem to find no problems with me, which leads me to believe that they either haven't found the true source of the problem, or they lie out of sympathy.

With that, I have no idea of what is wrong, what to fix, or if it is simply fate and/or terrible luck that there had to be someone in history to be in such a position for the tale to be told.

Mayhap I simply look dreadful but there's nothing to be done about that. Otherwise I am myself, I've been told I am polite, I try to dress well, hygiene, conversation rules and all that good stuff. I try to go out regardless in the hopes of finding solace, to several places and so on. I volunteer in places, join organizations when I can, try to be amicable and yet I fail. It's been years now and my only 3 friends are people whom I very very rarely get to meet (hopefully once a month).

Dating is the least of my worries I'm, sure, and while I know this is a dating advice board, I assume the tenets of dating apply somewhat to friendship.

Perhaps this tone may seem a bit selfish to these forums, to which I do hope that whatever answers and advice you may advance might help those that share my plight.

If that is not general enough, then I ask the following:

"What is to be done about one who seeks *any* company based on friendship, without being able to remedy his blockage due to the fact that he has no company to show him the error of his ways?"

I thank you in advance for any insight you can offer and apologize if I have misread rules and violated the regulations by inadvertently posting this.
 
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annother is offline annother Post #2  July 9,2011, 5:03am
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Your post makes it difficult for us to know what the problem might be. You have identified what you have done to try to improve your interpersonal skills, but we have no idea about the responses you get from friends and acquaintances.

Establishing friendships can take a long time. It also involves some mirroring of social interactions. For example, if you are invited to a dinner party you then at some other time you have a dinner party where you invite others. If someone buys you a beer, you then buy them a beer. That kind of thing.

What exactly is happening that makes you feel that no-one wants to befriend you?
 
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Azalias is offline Azalias Post #3  July 9,2011, 6:00am
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Your post makes it difficult for us to know what the problem might be. You have identified what you have done to try to improve your interpersonal skills, but we have no idea about the responses you get from friends and acquaintances.

Establishing friendships can take a long time. It also involves some mirroring of social interactions. For example, if you are invited to a dinner party you then at some other time you have a dinner party where you invite others. If someone buys you a beer, you then buy them a beer. That kind of thing.

What exactly is happening that makes you feel that no-one wants to befriend you?
I have no idea what responses I get from my friends and acquaintances either. I cannot even meet them or get to talk to them as they're either all busy or not here or something of the sorts. I have only 2 friends anyway, one of which is only a friend of mine out of sympathy and my origin anyway.

As for social interactions, I cannot mirror any if none happen. The furthest I ever get in social interaction is some chitchat that I can initiate.

With my therapist's feedback and my honest analysis of my behaviors and everything, I can honestly say I currently have no clue whatsoever what may be wrong with me. Incidentally my therapists' feedback is that he detects nothing wrong with my people skills as is. I'm seeing a counselor soon on learning basic interpersonal communication skills. The pastor told me to come back to the church soon, to not be lonely and that suicide is the worst thing I can commit as it harms those who already love me. So these are the three feedbacks.

To note that though I am severely plagued with sadness and loneliness, whenever I do interact with others, those feelings do not surface and dissipate, if only temporarily, so those cannot be the cause of my problem.

EDIT: Incidentally, I am not depressive, nor am I suicidal, the bit with the pastor was just to indicate how they responded.
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Many of us on these boards are lonely in the sense that we do not have a life partner. At the same time, though, we try to get out and about and do interesting things.

Without knowing more about you, I suspect that your problems may be beyond the scope of the advice we can give on these boards. We are from a wide range of backgrounds, ages, and locations and what we have in common is the need to have feedback and advice on dating.

Having said that, many of us try to remain positive by focusing outside of ourselves. By that I mean that if we take an interest in others, perhaps by joining interest groups or by volunteering, our own problems seem a lot less significant.

If you are experiencing depression I urge you to seek medical advice.
 
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Many of us on these boards are lonely in the sense that we do not have a life partner. At the same time, though, we try to get out and about and do interesting things.

Without knowing more about you, I suspect that your problems may be beyond the scope of the advice we can give on these boards. We are from a wide range of backgrounds, ages, and locations and what we have in common is the need to have feedback and advice on dating.

Having said that, many of us try to remain positive by focusing outside of ourselves. By that I mean that if we take an interest in others, perhaps by joining interest groups or by volunteering, our own problems seem a lot less significant.

If you are experiencing depression I urge you to seek medical advice.
I see.

Should you wish to know more about me, feel free to ask assuming my puzzle interests you. As for volunteering or joining groups to help others, I have done and am continuing to do so.

Fair enough if I cannot find my answers here at any rate. I will ask this then: where would you suggest I head to in order to get me some answers?
 
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Azalias, I agree with what Annother has said.

You mention your "origin." Are you from a foreign country? That can, sometimes, make forming relationships, and maybe even friendships, more challenging.

The fact that your post mentions suicide worries me. Did you talk about suicide to the pastor? And, finally (at least for now), you say that your sadness does not reach the surface, but you could be wrong about that. People who are depressed (I have been one myself) often are very poor judges of how they come across to other people and of what other people are thinking about them.
 
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They seem to find no problems with me,
If you asked if you had any problems you're asking the wrong question. Ask if they can suggest any areas for improvement and most people will be happy to help. I'm certain you, me, and just about everyone in the world could improve in some way that would make themselves a better person and hence happier and more attractive to the opposite sex.

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Mayhap I simply look dreadful but there's nothing to be done about that.
We have an incredible amount of control over our appearance. You can't make yourself look like Sean Connery--that's probably good anyway since you're only 21--but you can do alot.

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I volunteer in places, join organizations when I can,
Tell us about these. Which organization are you an active member of that involves the topic or activity you're most passionate about? What are your interactions like with members of that organization?

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To note that though I am severely plagued with sadness and loneliness
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one who seeks *any* company
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The pastor told me to come back to the church soon, to not be lonely and that suicide is the worst thing I can commit
Ahh, so you suffer from depression. Maybe this is the more important problem--addressing why you are lonely and unhappy with life? After that's solved, you won't be so dependent on others, you'll recognize when someone likes you, and you'll have an easier time making friends.




Now we're getting somewhere.
 
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I posted a reply a couple of hours ago but it went to moderation-land, likely because it used a word (which also appears in Post #3) that the system doesn't like.
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When I mention origin, I refer to the fact I'm from the Middle East, though I look...bizarre. People have said I come from all over the place, Mexico, Eastern Europe, France... you name it. Should it matter that much though? I'll gladly wear a paper bag if it's such an issue.

The opposite sex is the least of my concerns, I cannot seem to be liked by any sex for the moment.

When it comes to looks, I take good care of myself as far as I know: haircuts, beard trims/style, daily showers, dental hygiene, clothes I pick out with the help of my family/assistants at the shops etc... I'm OCD about cleanliness at any rate.

Currently, I have joined an international education center where I help the teachers teach immigrants the English language. I interact with the students and the staff, normal conversations. I have also joined Project Footsteps, a non-profit that helps young students better integrate in society and to explore opportunities. I'm hopefully starting soon. I'm also planning on interning at a shop specializing in print and all things related to that.

As for an activity I'm passionate about, I'm not sure what you mean.

I doubt I'm depressed also. My therapist would've noticed, as well as my sister who is a doctor and ran me through a quick checklist to see whether I'm depressed or not. My assumption is that the Pastor must have seen cases such as mine that probably ended up in depression, which I can completely understand.

That probably *would* be bad, now that you mention it though, if depression causes the root of the depression to become more aggravated, then it'd be an endless vicious circle.
 
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Are you new to your area?

What about joining some activity groups. Do you like to hike? Dance? Go on sightseeing trips? There are probably groups that do these things, and socializing with others with similar interests is a good way to get to know new people.
 
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