Would you date someone who dislikes July 4th?


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niqht is offline niqht Post #21  July 4,2011, 1:04pm
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tangochef wrote :
I would be more upset if someone did not care for Superbowl Sunday.

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stagingbulb wrote :
No. As much as we celebrate independence from England, it's also time to remember those that sacrificed all for it.
Yes, well, here in Blighty of course we refer to 4th July as The Dark Day of Monstrous Ingratitude from the Pesky Colonies ~ but even we don't mind you having a little fun!

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Depends on the reasoning for disliking the 4th of July. I know people who don't like 4th of July for the fireworks and the drinking that goes along with it, and feel that there are other ways to show patriotism. That doesn't bother me. But they should let me enjoy it at least.

However, if they dislike the holiday, because they dislike America, or what it has become, I have an issue with that. I am proud to be an American every day of the year, not just 4th of July.

This year I am alone at home on the 4th. I saw fireworks twice this weekend, Friday and Saturday, and that's enough, so I don't feel the need to go out again tonight to see more, nor does my boyfriend, so we are not seeing each other tonight. I am however watching the fireworks on tv, which is enough. So happy Independence Day everyone!!!!
 
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Franklin551 wrote :
July 4th is considered to be this nation's birthday. It's a strong symbol of patriotism. Colonist with the help of the French defeated the British army.

However, some people do not celebrate this holiday. Not everyone in America was given freedom on this day. Blacks were still slaves. Women had very few rights. Europeans coming to American in the early 1900s were segregated in the North. Indians had little rights, and President Andrew Jackson is responsible of the deaths of many Indians. Poor people did not have the right to vote in America at this time in American history, only landowners could vote.

An interesting fact about the Independence War is that only 30% of the colonist population was for the war.

Would you date someone would dislikes July 4th? Are you married to someone who dislikes the holiday?
Baring that they are not American, probably not - I leave the socio-political to another thread but it points to one mindset in particular that I don't have much patience for.

As to the rest of it? Sounds like Howard Zinn regurgitation, no offense. The dawn of the US wasn't perfect but it was the best then and is the best now.
 
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Trixie1968 wrote :
Yes, well, here in Blighty of course we refer to 4th July as The Dark Day of Monstrous Ingratitude from the Pesky Colonies ~ but even we don't mind you having a little fun!

Love it! I hear the US Embassy in London throws one heck of a party on the Fourth.

As for the OP, I love July 4 because it reminds us of the possibility of what we can be as a nation. Yesterday I attended a reading of the Declaration and was surrounded by people of several races, religions, ethnicities and economic backgrounds, and was taken by the fact that the words we were hearing applied to all of us. It's our responsibility as citizens (or potential citizens) to realize that potential, and to make the most of our country together. Maybe I'm a pollyanna, but I prefer to look at potential rather than prejudices and injustices.
 
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Trixie1968 wrote :
Yes, well, here in Blighty of course we refer to 4th July as The Dark Day of Monstrous Ingratitude from the Pesky Colonies ~ but even we don't mind you having a little fun!

Yeah, well. You're just sore losers since the most powerful army in the world got their milk money taken by a bunch of rag tag malcontents.
 
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I believe that was only because they took the native american fighting style.
Standing in a row shooting each other always seemed counterproductive.
 
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I would think that here in America I would likely not date someone who hated the 4th of July. That is just too much hate for me. Likely that same person is very negative all the time. I don't want to be around someone oblivious and overly happy all the time.......but, I have no desire to be around negative people.

If you hate the US that much, move, or actively work to change things. If you want to move to Europe, go.....but realize that this country you hate so much sacrificed many people twice in one century so they could live in freedom.

If you want to move to Asia or Africa, again go, but good luck finding freedom and opportunity. You are much more likely to find repression and much more racial tension on both of those continents than here in the USA.

America is far from perfect. But the idea's of the founding of this country were fairly incredible at the time and those ideals are still something wonderful to rally around.

You are correct that slavery was alive and well in America in the 1700's. Women were treated as second class to men, and there were large parts of the population which really had little chance at prosperity because of their place in life at birth.

While you are hating America for that learn some history about what was going on in the rest of the world at the time. For one, most of the slaves were first rounded up and "owned" by other Africans (stronger tribes rounded up and sold weaker ones), and sold to the people who brought them to the Americas.

Of course slavery was horrible, but the African's were largely the ones who created the market for slavery and are just as much to blame for the disgusting activity as the white man. Africans did not rise up against it........they fed it for their own profit and to get rid of people who they did not like.

Women had very few rights anywhere in the world, and there are still places in the world where women have less rights today than the first American women. The religious freedoms afforded early American's gave women here a much better life than much of the world at the time.

Native groups were treated like dirt all over the world at that time. You could say they were not in Europe, but that is because Europe was mostly built up already and those were assimilated.

Hate all you want, but hate for well thought out reasons, knowing what the world was like at the time. You might also want to travel the world a little and learn some of that history first hand.

My grandfather is dead now. But, I would love to see his response to you hating America. He watched friends die, and bled, thousands of miles from home, so that people he did not know would have a chance to live their lives in freedom. He did not do it to protect the soil of America.......he did it to protect the "idea" of America.
 
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tangochef wrote :
I would be more upset if someone did not care for Superbowl Sunday.
Thank goodness we weren't matched to each other!
 
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