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lindseyk is offline lindseyk Post #41  February 19,2011, 2:14pm

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Franklin551 wrote :
I haven't shown those qualities on this forum because when I ask for advice members accuse me of lying. I spend most of the topic being honest about my experience while members scream liar. You can't tell someone over the internet that he is anti-social. Once again you show that you discriminate against people who suffered from deformities.

Your also shown that your discriminate against me because you ignored everything else in the previous posts that are directed to YOU. You couldn't even defend your lies.
Forgive me if I'm being dense, but how does tweet's post have anything to do with discrimination based on a deformity? He didn't mention anything about a deformity at all. He was talking about personality issues, not physical ones, although if one reached far enough, they might be able to argue that a very well-obscured jab was being made that the personality issues derive from insecurities over one's physical appearance. That kind of argument would require some serious mental and linguistic gymnastics to form, though, and even then, I'm still not sure I would buy it.

I will refrain from judging one way or another on the personality issue at present, but perhaps you could elucidate to me how you came up with discrimination based on deformity from tweet's post. This is a serious request because I would truly like to understand you. From the way this thread has been going thus far, it seems evident to me that the person struggling most with your deformity, which I am certain you posted somewhere has been corrected, is you. I could be wrong and I am willing to be corrected, provided solid reasons are given to induce me to change my mind.
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Franklin551 wrote :
I have sent PMs to mods in the past. Some never responded. One told me, he didn't care.
Besides myself, I would be curious as to which mods you have PM'd, and didn't respond. (don't post that here, you can leave that be or PM the names to me) I did respond to your PM's, tried aiming you in a more positive direction. I even suggested you participate in other threads, rather than just focusing on your own issues.

If you think your threads were moderated unfairly, you need to PM Lori directly. She has the final say on these boards, not the Member Moderators (VCLs) or the other Admins.
 
 
Franklin551 is offline Franklin551 Post #43  February 19,2011, 2:32pm

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I think the following statements might encapsulate the OP's point of view, based on what I've read:

1. The OP is right about everything and everyone else is wrong, no matter what the issue might be.

2. The OP has never done anything to cause offense to anyone here, but many have done much to cause offense to him.

3. The OP is a victim of meanspiritedness, vindictiveness, lies, racism, and more, all at the hands of people posting here under the "guise" of helping. In short, there are some very nasty people here who delight in making the OP's life a misery.

4. The OP has been made a target of a form of brutality and unfairness unlike anyone posting here has ever seen or experienced before.

Note: I do not agree with any of the above premises, but they do seem to summarize the crux of the OP's main issues with the Advice forum. I must confess I do not understand the OP's positions on these things, but, if I am right in my above conclusions and I may not be, there appear to be many justifications for them in the OP's mind, which I have no desire to belittle or minimize.

My own read on the situation, Franklin, is that nothing anybody posts in reply to you is going to be satisfactory to you. You appear to see everything as lies and attacks, for whatever reason(s), so what recourse does anyone have who may choose to respond to you? What advice do you want? Perhaps if you gave us all the answers you wanted, we could all repeat them back to you and hope that they would not get lost in translation somewhere.

For what it's worth, I don't see the personal attacks you claim are directed at you. I am sorry you feel that you are the object of abuse here, though. I guess I just don't understand how any and all opinions contrary to your own constitute attacks. I freely admit that I do not know what your interests are or how women treat you in the real world, so I will refrain from commenting on that. It does strike me, however, you put an awful lot of emphasis on this deformity I believe you have had corrected. Is there a lot of focus on that from women in the real world? I don't know and I haven't seen pictures of you, so I have no idea if it would be something that would garner a lot of attention. I do think it would be beneficial to stop focusing on it and highlight other aspects of who you are. You are much more than your ear, although again, I admit I have not experienced anything like you have and so cannot comment authoritatively. I'm sure you have a bright mind and many unique interests. As I said, I have no idea what those are, but perhaps if you shone a little bit more light on those to the women you came into contact with, that might garner some positive interest. It's worth trying and trust me, I would not venture to tell you what your interests are or what they should be. You know what they are better than any of the rest of us.

At base, though, I must sincerely ask: what answer will give you satisfaction? Unfortunately, I must admit I feel certain already that my post will not produce a salutary response, a feeling I base entirely on the reception others here have received in response to their posts.
I made two topics asking for dating advice because women find me to be very physically unattractive. I received a lot of heat in both topics. Members said that I need to learn how to act black. Other members accused me of lying about my story. I posted pictures in both topics. Oddly some members lied that I didn't post pictures in my topics.

I know people have lied about what I have posted. I did not post the things people said that I posted. I made a topic about research done on Athletes, and I asked if women would consider other types of men if they knew the slim chances for athletes. Members accused me of making the topic about myself, when in face I never mention myself in the topic. It had nothing to do with me.

I do think the attacks are directed at me. One member told me that I should become a homosexual to find a relationship.

People with deformities are treated different in society. My deformity is heavily focused on, and is looked down upon in society. If anyone has the spare time Google ear deformities. There should be some sites that will state how noticeable and unacceptable ear deformities are in most societies. There is plenty of research data to prove it. There is also data that my chances of dating was pretty much zero. Here is an article that I read a few days ago for my Sexualities course. This also explains some the disrespectful treatment I have received on this forum.
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I must said it is a disgrace that "experts" would tell me that "your ears are not the problem", but research data strongly suggests the complete opposite.

Research also states that facial deformities are disablitites because the sufferer is handicapped. The sufferer is not physically handicapped. The sufferer is socially handicapped because of how others will treat the sufferer, not who the sufferer is as a person. It's not just teasing. It is more important issues such as finding a job. A study was done about a man who had a facial deformity. People would only hire him to work jobs that no one would see him in public. A recent legal trouble took place when a man with a facial deformity was forced out of a restaurant because of his facial deformity.

I have plenty of female friends. Every young woman who I know thinks that I am physically unattractive. I'm not mad at them. That's their choice. I normally don't have any drama in my life.

People normally say if someone smiles at you then that person may be attracted to you. We see it in movies when the guy and girl smile at each other and later get to know each other. When women smiled at me it wasn't a meet and greet. It was her laughing at me, and calling me a freak. I posted similar true stories before, but was accused of lying about the stories.
 
 
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Franklin551 wrote :
I must have low self-esteem to make a thread about receiving discrimination? Martin Luther King Jr made complaints about racial discrimination. Did that mean he had a low self-esteem(we should all know he was a confident man)?

I am not expecting sympathy.

Should someone who looks very clean in his photos expect someone to tell him that he looks dirty? Should someone who has a deformity expect to be accused of having interests that he does not have? Sorry, but I don't know anyone who expects to be falsely accused of having particular interest that he uninterested in.
Martin Luther King Jr. made statements about racial discrimination, but you go much further than that in your original post. You're saying that everyone is against you. That is a sign of low self-esteem.

You draw attention to your deformity. To me that means you're expecting sympathy from me because of it. I'm not going to feel sorry for you just because you have a deformity. Millions of people in the world have millions of different deformities. They're getting on with their lives regardless of what other people think.

Get off your tush and start doing something with yourself. Stop complaining to us for how other people are treating you.
 
 
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lunabeach wrote :
I don't think any of those things about you (other than the women one - you don't seem to like women very much in general).

I do think you like attention.

Which you get here, in spades.

Which is why I don't typically comment.

But I'd like to see a decrease in volatile, targeted posts (they usually wind up targeted at you, which is why I think it's attention seeking behavior), so I'm posting in hopes that others take my cue.
5 pages and 43 posts later - yeah - he's getting attention alright, but is the kind of attention he needs?
 
 
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Forgive me if I'm being dense, but how does tweet's post have anything to do with discrimination based on a deformity? He didn't mention anything about a deformity at all. He was talking about personality issues, not physical ones, although if one reached far enough, they might be able to argue that a very well-obscured jab was being made that the personality issues derive from insecurities over one's physical appearance. That kind of argument would require some serious mental and linguistic gymnastics to form, though, and even then, I'm still not sure I would buy it.

I will refrain from judging one way or another on the personality issue at present, but perhaps you could elucidate to me how you came up with discrimination based on deformity from tweet's post. This is a serious request because I would truly like to understand you. From the way this thread has been going thus far, it seems evident to me that the person struggling most with your deformity, which I am certain you posted somewhere has been corrected, is you. I could be wrong and I am willing to be corrected, provided solid reasons are given to induce me to change my mind.
I see Tweet as being discriminating for many reasons.

Tweet's first ever post to me was telling me to become a priest because no woman wants me. You can see the post on this page.
http://advice.eharmony.com/boards/da...t-women-8.html (I'm unable to attract women.)

Secondly he was lying in his first post in this topic. He lied that I made a topic complaining about women liking athletes. I made a topic asking if women would give other types of men the time of day if they knew about the problems athletes face after they leave the sport.
http://advice.eharmony.com/boards/da...knew-odds.html (Would women spend more time investing in everyday men or a jock if they knew the odds?)

Thirdly, him like other members have called me a geek because of my deformity. Some of my interests are sports. Sports are not considered socially geeky. Tweets and the other members have called me a geek because of the deformity, had no other bases to call me one.
 
 
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TheThinker wrote :
well, it didn't take you too long to pull the race card did it?
I was wondering when you would post this.

Look, you have a tendency to whine...a lot...deep down I think you're a decent kid, but for the love of god and everything holy please...stop the whining...
yes we know you have a ear deformity(or did they fix it?? I don't know...)
and yes we know women hate you and walk up to you on the street and tell you're ugly..and then everyone here suggests you try and build your confidence.... then you, tell everyone you have all sorts of self esteem...that confidence is no issue for you..
I would argue someone who does have the self esteem and/or confidence you claim, would not be posting this thread..
You wanna be treated like a man?
Then start acting like one.

Again, this constant whining is not endearing you...to anyone.
Do you understand that at all?
do you??

good lord.
Whining and complaining is the thought I just had. OMG - this is like a 5 year old in kindergarten who doesn't get the toy he wants to play with.
 
 
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Martin Luther King Jr. made statements about racial discrimination, but you go much further than that in your original post. You're saying that everyone is against you. That is a sign of low self-esteem.

You draw attention to your deformity. To me that means you're expecting sympathy from me because of it. I'm not going to feel sorry for you just because you have a deformity. Millions of people in the world have millions of different deformities. They're getting on with their lives regardless of what other people think.

Get off your tush and start doing something with yourself. Stop complaining to us for how other people are treating you.
Another poster who lies about me. I never said everyone was against. Secondly, I don't have the right to make a complaint about members disrespecting me? Just another bias poster.
 
 
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Another poster who lies about me. I never said everyone was against. Secondly, I don't have the right to make a complaint about members disrespecting me? Just another bias poster.


Have fun with the rest of this thread Franklin.

Good luck to you.
 
 
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Franklin551 wrote :
That is not fair to the original poster and the people who actually tried to help. You are punishing the original poster. You are basically telling me to not post here anymore about my problem. It is not everyone's lost if a thread is close. It is the gain to the members who violate the rules and it is a lost to the members who stay within the rules.

My last closed topic had no attempts to stop the violating. It was instantly closed.

This is just more discrimination towards me. Now I am unable to post anymore topics asking for help.
Hi Franklin 551,

We never like to have to close threads, but if we feel that they are not constructive or have devolved into a series of personal attacks, it will be closed. I believe Lori posted a message to that effect on a thread she closed.

Like all of our members, you are welcome to ask for advice. But, if you do, then you are expected to receive any and all advice with respect and civility. If you feel that someone's response is a personal attack on you, then you need to report the thread, not respond to it.

Since your comments on what you believe was your experience in the past isn't going anywhere productive, I am closing this thread.

If you want and are open to receiving advice on a particular issue, you are welcome to start a new topic.

As mentioned before, if you have any questions about our moderation policies or feel you've been treated unfairly, the appropriate thing to do is post your comments in the Talk to Your Community Team Group, or you can contact Lori, Kate or me directly.

All the best,

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