Genealogy: seeking all the facts of my heritage


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When I was a child, I met my great paternal grandmother shortly before she died. I was never told much about her. I remember asking my mother why mygreat-grandmother always sat quietly in her room for hours, neverspeaking to anyone orsmiling. My mother, who did not get along with her, simply replied, "Aww, she's an Indian."


To me, she looked like an "Indian" with her long grey hair and copper-colored, leathered skin. The only thing that I remember to this day about heris bits and pieces of whatmy mother told me, and the delicious food she made for my sister and I the first time we visited her: Collard greens, homemade ginger bread and freshly churned ice cream. I had never tasted anything like that in my life, and have not since.


There is a missing puzzle piece regarding both my great paternal grandmother, and my grandfather, her son,which I would like to solve. My family and I found much information last summer, but some mysteries remain.


Regarding my grandfather, we were able to find his birth certificate, which documents him as "white."He bought the land where I was partially raised when he was 14 years old.Hegraduated from theology college in a nearby town, and went on to become an ordained Baptist minister.His mother was full-bloodied Chicasaw Indian, derivative of the Seminole, many of whom lived throughout the south.We know nothing of who his father was or how my grandfather was able to buy land at the age of 14.


My brother recently told me that my grandfather had told him that he shaved his head in order to "pass for Negro."I am assuming that this is regarding the Jim Crow laws of the south during that time.My mother told me that the only thing my grandfather ever told her about himself is that his father was "a Jew." But my mother's maiden name is definitely Irish.


The thing about genealogy is that once you have information, you want more. My daughter and her mother-in-law, who are doing the bulk of the research, have thus far discovered that my father's peoplewould have come from somewhere near Senegal, West Africa, which would explain my father's tall, dark-skinned good looks. It would also explain why, when he married my mother, who is multi-racial,their children- my brothers and sisters- were of mixed hues. Yet, we are allproud to be called African-American.


Earlyon, I noticed a certain personality trait in many of my siblings which I now clearly understandcan be contributed toour heritage from the Chickasaw tribe. In readingabout them, I learned that they were quiet, peace-loving people, but fierce warriors in battle. In other words, they were confident, but no "chatty-kathies" here (lol). How come I already suspected that?


In short, I have learned a lot about my heritage, and would like to learn more, especially about my great paternal grandfather. I'm assuming his inclusion in my heritage is related to slavery in some way.I would also like to know how my grandfather was able to purchase land at the age of 14. And why he never told us more about himself.


I would like to know if anyone else has done research on their family heritage? And if there is a place I could further look to findthe missing pieces? Your input would be greatly appreciated, as I would really like to know more aboutmy ancestors.





 
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The LDS (Mormon) Church is a great resource when it comes to genealogical research. They have the largest genealogical library available to the public in Salt Lake City, as well as people who will be happy to assist you in what they can. Just an idea
 
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When I was a child, I met my great paternal grandmother shortly before she died. I was never told much about her. I remember asking my mother why mygreat-grandmother always sat quietly in her room for hours, neverspeaking to anyone orsmiling. My mother, who did not get along with her, simply replied, "Aww, she's an Indian."


To me, she looked like an "Indian" with her long grey hair and copper-colored, leathered skin. The only thing that I remember to this day about heris bits and pieces of whatmy mother told me, and the delicious food she made for my sister and I the first time we visited her: Collard greens, homemade ginger bread and freshly churned ice cream. I had never tasted anything like that in my life, and have not since.


There is a missing puzzle piece regarding both my great paternal grandmother, and my grandfather, her son,which I would like to solve. My family and I found much information last summer, but some mysteries remain.


Regarding my grandfather, we were able to find his birth certificate, which documents him as "white."He bought the land where I was partially raised when he was 14 years old.Hegraduated from theology college in a nearby town, and went on to become an ordained Baptist minister.His mother was full-bloodied Chicasaw Indian, derivative of the Seminole, many of whom lived throughout the south.We know nothing of who his father was or how my grandfather was able to buy land at the age of 14.


My brother recently told me that my grandfather had told him that he shaved his head in order to "pass for Negro."I am assuming that this is regarding the Jim Crow laws of the south during that time.My mother told me that the only thing my grandfather ever told her about himself is that his father was "a Jew." But my mother's maiden name is definitely Irish.


The thing about genealogy is that once you have information, you want more. My daughter and her mother-in-law, who are doing the bulk of the research, have thus far discovered that my father's peoplewould have come from somewhere near Senegal, West Africa, which would explain my father's tall, dark-skinned good looks. It would also explain why, when he married my mother, who is multi-racial,their children- my brothers and sisters- were of mixed hues. Yet, we are allproud to be called African-American.


Earlyon, I noticed a certain personality trait in many of my siblings which I now clearly understandcan be contributed toour heritage from the Chickasaw tribe. In readingabout them, I learned that they were quiet, peace-loving people, but fierce warriors in battle. In other words, they were confident, but no "chatty-kathies" here (lol). How come I already suspected that?


In short, I have learned a lot about my heritage, and would like to learn more, especially about my great paternal grandfather. I'm assuming his inclusion in my heritage is related to slavery in some way.I would also like to know how my grandfather was able to purchase land at the age of 14. And why he never told us more about himself.


I would like to know if anyone else has done research on their family heritage? And if there is a place I could further look to findthe missing pieces? Your input would be greatly appreciated, as I would really like to know more aboutmy ancestors.




The problem with doing research on your family heritage is that once you start it becomes addictive. Am speaking from personal experience. I have been researching my Father's family for over 25 years and have only recently (2 months ago) confirmed my paternal Great Great Grandfather's actual birth date and birthplace in Scotland. I have been trying to find this out for over 15 years andsheer fluked finding the information. Both sides of my family are Scottish, Irish and Welsh. There are many places to find out information, your local genealogical society is a good starting point. There is also quite a good website Ancestry.com which might have somebody that is researching the same area as you.
 
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What an interesting personal history! I can see why you want to fill in as many blanks as possible. (I did get a little confused trying to straighten out the generations and maternal/paternal lines, but everyone sounds very interesting!)


Have you investigated all of the resources in Ancestry-dot-com? To get the most out of it you have to subscribe, but it's worth it (you can do a month-to-month subscription if you aren't sure you want to commit to a longer one).


Have you fully explored the county records where your grandfather's land is? They may have copies of early deeds that would give hints as to how he first acquired the land (e.g., knowing who the previous owner is may tell you a lot). Was he married in that county as well? If you can find a marriage certificate, it may list the names of the bride and groom's parents as well (some do).


If you go to the Department of the Interior website, you'll see a link in the lefthand column to information about "How do I trace Indian ancestry?" Follow the links there and make sure that you've pursued all of the strategies that they suggest.


Good luck in finding your missing pieces!
 
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My family is Scottish/Italian/Ukrainian/Polish/Jewish, all arriving in the US in the 1920s, while my ex's family arrived in the country from Germany in the 1740s and married their way across the continent, mingling with English and Native families.





I have hit "the wall" in the European lines for now. Maybe eventually I'll be able to invest the time and money to do more.





As to the 14-year-old buying land, while it's possible that he could have worked for or inherited the money to purchase it, could it be the case that women (his mother) would not have been able to legally buy land? Especially if she were Indian? He could have been her proxy buyer. JUst a thought.





I echo the sentiment that genealogical research can become addictive. A huge, fascinating puzzle! Best of luck to you!
 
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Not really sure what this has to do with dating, but since I'm an avid genealogy researcher I will chime in. I agree that it is very addictive and pretty much never ends, when you think about it. Consider how many people you are really related to (for example, your cousin's husband's sister's husband's cousin etc!!!) and you realize that you could literally devote your whole life to researching your family and never come to an end. In any case, if you stay focused on starting with the immediate family, you can uncover good information.


As for tips, there are sooooo many great places to look for information, it all depends on how willing you are to devote your own time and money. There are numerous good books written on the genealogy which will give you advice. Check one or two out of your library or buy a good reference starter book. Besides that,to start with, I'd recommend interviewing people in your family and start gathering stories and information already readily available to you. You never know when someone might have a "key" and when that person dies, you will never have another chance to learn from him/her. Then, once you have some good key info, start with local records such as birth and death records (recent ID theft has made viewing vital records more complicated in some areas, it seems to vary) and cemetary records. Old newspapers can offer info in obits or in the "society pages." A long time ago, even people who were "common" often ended up in the papers! Its quite hilarious to read in the newspaper about Mr. Soandso who visited his cousin in Xtown or Miss Younggirl who had a birthday party....although these tidbits might not provide crucial information, they provide personal accounts which make your ancestors seem "real." Lastly, I'd say explore the internet. There is ALOT of information out there--some free and some for a fee. There are genealogy groups, often with people willing to do minimal research for free, some for a small fee, advice boards such as these, online family trees, PDFs of real documents, etc etc etc.


Have fun!!!
 
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Hi, Everybody! Thanks for the leads! I'll check out everything and keep you posted. I know this subject is not related to dating, butit issuch a good source for all types of other information![img]library/editor/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-smile.gif[/img]


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When I was a child, I met my great paternal grandmother shortly before she died. I was never told much about her. I remember asking my mother why mygreat-grandmother always sat quietly in her room for hours, neverspeaking to anyone orsmiling. My mother, who did not get along with her, simply replied, "Aww, she's an Indian."


To me, she looked like an "Indian" with her long grey hair and copper-colored, leathered skin. The only thing that I remember to this day about heris bits and pieces of whatmy mother told me, and the delicious food she made for my sister and I the first time we visited her: Collard greens, homemade ginger bread and freshly churned ice cream. I had never tasted anything like that in my life, and have not since.


There is a missing puzzle piece regarding both my great paternal grandmother, and my grandfather, her son,which I would like to solve. My family and I found much information last summer, but some mysteries remain.


Regarding my grandfather, we were able to find his birth certificate, which documents him as "white."He bought the land where I was partially raised when he was 14 years old.Hegraduated from theology college in a nearby town, and went on to become an ordained Baptist minister.His mother was full-bloodied Chicasaw Indian, derivative of the Seminole, many of whom lived throughout the south.We know nothing of who his father was or how my grandfather was able to buy land at the age of 14.


My brother recently told me that my grandfather had told him that he shaved his head in order to "pass for Negro."I am assuming that this is regarding the Jim Crow laws of the south during that time.My mother told me that the only thing my grandfather ever told her about himself is that his father was "a Jew." But my mother's maiden name is definitely Irish.


The thing about genealogy is that once you have information, you want more. My daughter and her mother-in-law, who are doing the bulk of the research, have thus far discovered that my father's peoplewould have come from somewhere near Senegal, West Africa, which would explain my father's tall, dark-skinned good looks. It would also explain why, when he married my mother, who is multi-racial,their children- my brothers and sisters- were of mixed hues. Yet, we are allproud to be called African-American.


Earlyon, I noticed a certain personality trait in many of my siblings which I now clearly understandcan be contributed toour heritage from the Chickasaw tribe. In readingabout them, I learned that they were quiet, peace-loving people, but fierce warriors in battle. In other words, they were confident, but no "chatty-kathies" here (lol). How come I already suspected that?


In short, I have learned a lot about my heritage, and would like to learn more, especially about my great paternal grandfather. I'm assuming his inclusion in my heritage is related to slavery in some way.I would also like to know how my grandfather was able to purchase land at the age of 14. And why he never told us more about himself.


I would like to know if anyone else has done research on their family heritage? And if there is a place I could further look to findthe missing pieces? Your input would be greatly appreciated, as I would really like to know more aboutmy ancestors.




Hi Scorpio,


You and I are in a bit of the same boat. I have Native-American ancestors on all sides of my family and can trace none of them, so far.


One source you might like to search is: www. cyndislist. com/ (minus the spaces). This is a free site and will offer you mega resources to continue your quest.


Good luck! (to both of us)!!! Who knows?Maybe we'll both findthat perfect someone for whom we're both searching when we discover our ancestors!?! Just a thought!!! [img]library/editor/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-wink.gif[/img]
 
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When I was a child, I met my great paternal grandmother shortly before she died. I was never told much about her. I remember asking my mother why mygreat-grandmother always sat quietly in her room for hours, neverspeaking to anyone orsmiling. My mother, who did not get along with her, simply replied, "Aww, she's an Indian."


To me, she looked like an "Indian" with her long grey hair and copper-colored, leathered skin. The only thing that I remember to this day about heris bits and pieces of whatmy mother told me, and the delicious food she made for my sister and I the first time we visited her: Collard greens, homemade ginger bread and freshly churned ice cream. I had never tasted anything like that in my life, and have not since.


There is a missing puzzle piece regarding both my great paternal grandmother, and my grandfather, her son,which I would like to solve. My family and I found much information last summer, but some mysteries remain.


Regarding my grandfather, we were able to find his birth certificate, which documents him as "white."He bought the land where I was partially raised when he was 14 years old.Hegraduated from theology college in a nearby town, and went on to become an ordained Baptist minister.His mother was full-bloodied Chicasaw Indian, derivative of the Seminole, many of whom lived throughout the south.We know nothing of who his father was or how my grandfather was able to buy land at the age of 14.


My brother recently told me that my grandfather had told him that he shaved his head in order to "pass for Negro."I am assuming that this is regarding the Jim Crow laws of the south during that time.My mother told me that the only thing my grandfather ever told her about himself is that his father was "a Jew." But my mother's maiden name is definitely Irish.


The thing about genealogy is that once you have information, you want more. My daughter and her mother-in-law, who are doing the bulk of the research, have thus far discovered that my father's peoplewould have come from somewhere near Senegal, West Africa, which would explain my father's tall, dark-skinned good looks. It would also explain why, when he married my mother, who is multi-racial,their children- my brothers and sisters- were of mixed hues. Yet, we are allproud to be called African-American.


Earlyon, I noticed a certain personality trait in many of my siblings which I now clearly understandcan be contributed toour heritage from the Chickasaw tribe. In readingabout them, I learned that they were quiet, peace-loving people, but fierce warriors in battle. In other words, they were confident, but no "chatty-kathies" here (lol). How come I already suspected that?


In short, I have learned a lot about my heritage, and would like to learn more, especially about my great paternal grandfather. I'm assuming his inclusion in my heritage is related to slavery in some way.I would also like to know how my grandfather was able to purchase land at the age of 14. And why he never told us more about himself.


I would like to know if anyone else has done research on their family heritage? And if there is a place I could further look to findthe missing pieces? Your input would be greatly appreciated, as I would really like to know more aboutmy ancestors.








Hi Scorpio,


You and I are in a bit of the same boat. I have Native-American ancestors on all sides of my family and can trace none of them, so far.


One source you might like to search is: www. cyndislist. com/ (minus the spaces). This is a free site and will offer you mega resources to continue your quest.


Good luck! (to both of us)!!! Who knows?Maybe we'll both findthat perfect someone for whom we're both searching when we discover our ancestors!?! Just a thought!!! [img]library/editor/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-wink.gif[/img]
Hi Scorpio,


One additional note. I re-visited Cindi's List and found the page for free genealogical forms. There are over 225 here. You may find at least one you can use.


http://www.free-genealogy-forms.com/...t/view/238/65/


Good luck and have a great week!!! [img]library/editor/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-smile.gif[/img]
 
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Hi, Stanwyck, Thank you for the info! Somehow you feel compelled to know the whole story once you get started! Good luck in your search. God bless you!
 
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