Very interesting article with fine points as well as everyones comments. I learned much. As the old saying to love me is to know me and vice versa so when we take the time to know someone usually you'll see everyone is truly beautiful in their own way more or less. It's just a matter of compatibility's, shared values etc. I think it becomes a real problem if your discontent with your choice and your looking at others. Sad when some let themselves go to pot so to speak
What I find interesting is the people who say they don't want someone who is (conventionally speaking) attractive, because there's no substance behind the beauty. How is that always the case? It's no more true than saying all (conventionally speaking) homely people have shining personalities.
I'd be lying if I said that some degree of attractiveness doesn't play a part. Like someone else said, it's a piece of the pie but not the whole pie. So...the crust maybe. Or the decorative bits on top.
Oh, you're right, I think. I guess the main point is that physical attraction is necessary, but it is independent of physical attractiveness (those conventional standards). Most adults have realized (sometime between middle school and death) that the cute or hot people are just that, people, and not guaranteed to be kind, humorous, or intelligent because of their looks. And plainer folk aren't necessarily the gentle souls, either.
What irritated me in the article is that it seemed to conflate the two and warned about demanding physical attraction in a potential partner, while assuming it was based on looks. It's not.
Heck, yes, I demand that there be physical attraction! Otherwise, you've got a great friend, not a lover (or some very dull sex).
Being physically attracted to someone and their being physically attractive (by some conventional standard) are two different things.
I think this is worth repeating as many people seem to be justifying why they felt "physically attracted" to someone who, by social standards, wasn't "physically attractive". That's not really the issue at hand.
Personally, I think physical attraction is the #1 - numero uno - quality of a healthy, monogamous, long-term relationship. Sure, there are many others (communication, honestly, loyalty, etc), all dealbreakers in their own right, but without PA? ...you can never truly be anything more than 'friends' at best. PA (and the resulting 'acts of intimacy') is, quite literally, the only thing that separates a romantic-interest from a friend-interest.
Does it guarantee success? ...absolutely not! ...but, a lack of PA can certainly guarantee failure.
I can't even imagine being in a romantic relationship with someone I didn't find physically attractive (for whatever reason) ...and would actively seek to remove myself from any situation where I thought the reverse was true.
Further, I think PA is instaneous ...it's either there, or it isn't. I don't believe this is something you can "fake it till you make it" and, frankly, if it takes "getting to know someone 'on the inside'" before you can say you are "physically" attracted to them, there is something wrong there. PA is a base animal instinct and doesn't (or shouldn't) require any thought or mental consideration whatsoever.
Frankly, the very thought that someone I was physically attracted to (and interested in having a relationship with) was looking at me and saying, "meh I might be able to have sex with him if he's funny enough" is an insult.
Physically Attractive: Man, I'd like to get in her pants, but only if her personality stays in her purse.
Personally Attractive: Waitaminute, we've been talking for over four hours? It felt like fifteen minutes... And by the way, can I have your number?
'Cuz if that's the case, I can deal with that... I'll have a number two, please.
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Yup. Can't say it any better than that.
The only physical trait common to all the women I've had relationships with (aside from being absolutely beautiful to me, although perhaps not in "society's conventional ways") seems to be a distinctive nose. I have a thing for noses!
I absolutely agree that physical attraction is critical to any successful romantic relationship. If the lust factor isn't there, you're just good friends.
Personally, I think physical attraction is the #1 - numero uno - quality of a healthy, monogamous, long-term relationship. Sure, there are many others (communication, honestly, loyalty, etc), all dealbreakers in their own right, but without PA? ...you can never truly be anything more than 'friends' at best. PA (and the resulting 'acts of intimacy') is, quite literally, the only thing that separates a romantic-interest from a friend-interest.
Does it guarantee success? ...absolutely not! ...but, a lack of PA can certainly guarantee failure.
I can't even imagine being in a romantic relationship with someone I didn't find physically attractive (for whatever reason) ...and would actively seek to remove myself from any situation where I thought the reverse was true.
Further, I think PA is instaneous ...it's either there, or it isn't. I don't believe this is something you can "fake it till you make it" and, frankly, if it takes "getting to know someone 'on the inside'" before you can say you are "physically" attracted to them, there is something wrong there. PA is a base animal instinct and doesn't (or shouldn't) require any thought or mental consideration whatsoever.
Frankly, the very thought that someone I was physically attracted to (and interested in having a relationship with) was looking at me and saying, "meh I might be able to have sex with him if he's funny enough" is an insult.
I disagree with so much of this post I don't really know where to start.
But, frankly, if you think that physical attraction is the #1 most important thing to a long term relationship, then we are so far apart to begin with I don't know that I can say anything to bring us to a concensus.
Physical beauty, or lack thereof, is only skin deep. Attraction to a person can begin with any number of different scenarios. I met my ex through work. At first, no, there was no attraction. However, as I saw more and more of him, a physical attraction developed. I certainly hope that he did not feel insulted by this.
If you are simply shunning women based on looks only, without getting to know them, then you could be avoiding a wonderful connection with a special person.
And there is not one post on this thread that comes near the "meh, I might be able to have sex with him if he's funny" comment. That is you reading into it something which is not there.
I won't go into my sex life, primarily because I don't have one currently, but I have never had a physical relationship with a man that I was not utterly attracted to, physically, emotionally & mentally.
For me, a deep friendship, knowledge of and appreciation for a person's inner qualities are the things necessary for a long term relationship.
What are you going to hang your hat on when the beauty fades?
I can't even imagine being in a romantic relationship with someone I didn't find physically attractive (for whatever reason) ...and would actively seek to remove myself from any situation where I thought the reverse was true ....
Frankly, the very thought that someone I was physically attracted to (and interested in having a relationship with) was looking at me and saying, "meh I might be able to have sex with him if he's funny enough" is an insult.
I wholeheartedly agree with this, and think it's the heart of the matter. There are lots of people I find attractive with whom I would not want to be in a romantic relationship, BUT I would never want to be in a romantic relationship if I wasn't attracted ...
It's actually a very touchy topic for me, especially since I just recently went through a break-up in which the girl I was dating for five months finally admitted she was not attracted to me, but "liked me as a person" and was "trying to make it work."
In fact, lack of physical of attraction is the ONLY reason in the 11 years I've been trying to date (since I was 17) that someone has stopped dating me. Sometimes after one date, sometimes after three, sometimes after months ... You'd think I'm trying to date way out of my league, like the article suggests, but I think I'm at least average, and I do everything I can. (I've never been overweight; for the last two years, I've worked out for an hour virtually every day. Good hygiene. Dress well. Always shave. Got contacts about a year ago. I'm doing about everything a guy can do.)
It's a perplexing topic to me ... twice in my life I've actually had female friends, who, at the time were not interested in dating or were not single, tell me that she thought I was "cute" or "good-looking" ... and then at later points, circumstances changed, and we did try to date, and both girls ended up saying after not to long, "they didn't feel attracted to me."
So ... it's pretty frustrating. Sometimes, if you're lonely, the whole physical attraction thing makes you think you're being too picky, and you ought to just "force yourself to be attracted to someone you're not," but I've never appreciated that when I've been on the receiving end ....
Bottom line to me is, don't even go on a first date if you don't find someone physically attractive. I mean, how can you not know? You can see the person, right?
Why would someone even consider being in a relationship with someone that they are not physically attracted to? I'm just saying that the physical attraction, and therefore, the relationship, does not have to be "immediate".
And, for me, it is not the most important thing. There is so much more that makes a man attractive other than the color of his eyes, or his smile.
What if all of his teeth fall out, then what you gonna do?
But, certainly, no one would expect you to spend time with someone that physically repulses you.
Umm....I don't think you are clearly seeing this guy for who he is. He has been with two women at all times...
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