Misogyny, truth or fiction?


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Sean0123 is offline Sean0123 Post #1  June 6,2010, 3:32pm
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I've been studying sexual psychology, human sexual evolution, and cultural anthropology in relation to human courtship behaviors. These sciences in relation to subjective self interpretation of ones feelings seem to be contradictory. Basically what I am asking is; are women lying? Most posts relating to what women want in a man mention something along the line of "I'm looking for my prince charming. I want love and devotion. I want a nice guy who will provide emotional support and stability." Perplexingly, observed behavior in courtship has displayed far different results in what is sexually attractive to a woman.

I will use my best friend as a simple example of this anomaly. A woman will have a boyfriend or a husband. She will be at a social gathering of your choice, with or without the aforementioned "hubby." He can nearly instantaneously attract her and bed her within that night of meeting her. He is ultra confident and suave, but undeniably non empathetic to her needs. Not only is she cheating, but shes contradicting herself and her said desirable qualities in a man.

I believe that this behavior stems from a combination of cultural teachings that are inherently hypocritical, combined with what women actually find sexually attractive from a scientific perspective. Also we are programmed to desire what we cannot attain, to survive better and beat all odds. So a woman wants a nice guy, but desires a bad guy.

This could theoretically be satisfied by having dual partners; an alpha and a beta. The alpha is genetically superior (or perceived to be) whilst the beta is the provider and emotional support she needs. Because these two archetypes cannot exist in the same individual, a woman cannot be satisfied by only having one. One man to have sex with one lesser man to cuddle with.

This does not seem to be the case for men, since men base sexual attraction and love/intimacy on the same paradigm while women cannot. A possible explanation of why women want to wait for sex (of course only in certain instances) is that they are simply not sexually attracted to the beta they want to provide for them. Since they are not sexually aroused they will not desire sex, so in essence, whats the point of having it? Some studies have been done that show women are more likely to cheat during their peak of ovulation, when they are most fertile, to ensure the alpha's seed will impregnate her.

I hypothesize that women withhold sex from certain men simply because they don't desire sex from them. These relationship men, or betas, are there to help raise children and provide resources for the woman, as the alpha will not due to their narcissism and disregard of others feelings (a fallback of being ultra confident.) If an alpha were able to display beta qualities he would then become beta, and thus no longer be sexually attractive. So the question is this; how often does this happen? PLEASE be honest. This is for the sake of understanding not bashing people.
 
 
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I've been studying sexual psychology, human sexual evolution, and cultural anthropology in relation to human courtship behaviors. These sciences in relation to subjective self interpretation of ones feelings seem to be contradictory. Basically what I am asking is; are women lying? Most posts relating to what women want in a man mention something along the line of "I'm looking for my prince charming. I want love and devotion. I want a nice guy who will provide emotional support and stability." Perplexingly, observed behavior in courtship has displayed far different results in what is sexually attractive to a woman.

I will use my best friend as a simple example of this anomaly. A woman will have a boyfriend or a husband. She will be at a social gathering of your choice, with or without the aforementioned "hubby." He can nearly instantaneously attract her and bed her within that night of meeting her. He is ultra confident and suave, but undeniably non empathetic to her needs. Not only is she cheating, but shes contradicting herself and her said desirable qualities in a man.

I believe that this behavior stems from a combination of cultural teachings that are inherently hypocritical, combined with what women actually find sexually attractive from a scientific perspective. Also we are programmed to desire what we cannot attain, to survive better and beat all odds. So a woman wants a nice guy, but desires a bad guy.

This could theoretically be satisfied by having dual partners; an alpha and a beta. The alpha is genetically superior (or perceived to be) whilst the beta is the provider and emotional support she needs. Because these two archetypes cannot exist in the same individual, a woman cannot be satisfied by only having one. One man to have sex with one lesser man to cuddle with.

This does not seem to be the case for men, since men base sexual attraction and love/intimacy on the same paradigm while women cannot. A possible explanation of why women want to wait for sex (of course only in certain instances) is that they are simply not sexually attracted to the beta they want to provide for them. Since they are not sexually aroused they will not desire sex, so in essence, whats the point of having it? Some studies have been done that show women are more likely to cheat during their peak of ovulation, when they are most fertile, to ensure the alpha's seed will impregnate her.

I hypothesize that women withhold sex from certain men simply because they don't desire sex from them. These relationship men, or betas, are there to help raise children and provide resources for the woman, as the alpha will not due to their narcissism and disregard of others feelings (a fallback of being ultra confident.) If an alpha were able to display beta qualities he would then become beta, and thus no longer be sexually attractive. So the question is this; how often does this happen? PLEASE be honest. This is for the sake of understanding not bashing people.
Oh man, this one hasn't been beaten to death a million times by the armchair psychologists.
 
 
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How nice. Whats observable in the real world is the only thing that matters. I understand the alpha/beta BS is beaten over everyone's head, especially in the seduction community, but seriously... I've SEEN it happen.
 
 
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*head hurts.
The problem is you are talking about science.
I love science. But the more you know about it the more you realize you dont know about it.
 
 
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I still don't know what the question is....
how often does what happen?
 
 
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"Not only is she cheating, but shes contradicting herself and her said desirable qualities in a man."

I am not sure this is a fair basis for criticism.

Having a one-time fling is not evidence sufficient to contradict a woman's claim of the qualities she seeks in a partner. She may well have chosen her spouse for the reasons she stated.

(Now, if she said "I would never cheat," then that would make her a lier.)
 
 
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To answer your original thread title, yeah there are misogynists...
 
 
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True, there are.
 
 
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When science can actually find the answer to chemistry. You might find your answer.
 
 
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How nice. Whats observable in the real world is the only thing that matters. I understand the alpha/beta BS is beaten over everyone's head, especially in the seduction community, but seriously... I've SEEN it happen.
If you want answers your going to have to make a few changes.

First, stop hypothesizing, put your text books away and rethink your approach.

Second, Stop utilizing the classroom analysis approach; you cannot attribute certain actions to all women because of one or two incidences you have been part of or know of. In short your generalizing.

Anyone who attempts to engage a woman in a heartfelt discussion and makes the ongoing mistake of using the expression "all women" or "women in general" are invariably committing themselves to a life of celibacy.

Listen to what women have to say, forget word choice, listen to the message. Women are not case studies or mice for research. Each and every one is a unique possessing a highly complex personality and psyche. You are grossly underestimating them.

In short, you have to decide if you want to attempt to win an intellectual debate or, find a mate. I'm certain that you can make an argument that "women" choose certain men for a host of reasons that seem to be contradictory and misguided.
For whatever the reasons the answers and rationale will continue to be argued long after we are both dead. Your trying to apply male theories and male studies to the opposite sex as if men understand women better than women understand themselves.

Also, we don't want to attempt the same analysis on men. We are far less complex and easier to understand then women. We have a tendency to make decisions with the little head more than the bigger head.

In summary, the argument will go nowhere, the alpha and beta men will both go home alone. You will be "beta" off if you leave this argument alone.
 
 
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