psgcooldog is online now psgcooldog Post #21  April 4,2010, 6:39am
psgcooldog's Avatar

dreams of a place called home ...

Veteran

Joined: Mar 2010

Kenton, DE

Posts: 1,283

See profile

Why is it bitter for me to state a fact? Those are facts that happen to me. It's the same as me stating that I have brown hair and brown eyes and I am 5'8 tall.

The people I am talking about are the ones who are always NEGATIVE and HOSTILE. You can hear the bitterness in their posts. The people who never have anything positive to say, always taunt or insult other people. There are people who empathize and sympathize, then there are others who are just downright mean, and/or are negative about everything and rarely have anything constructive to say or relevant to offer in a thread. And then there are one the ones who put words into other people's mouths and twist things around to suit them.
For the record, after reading your OP, I would not call your post bitter; I would call it pensive and somewhat melancholy.

I go there myself a bit too often for my own good, but try not to. One thing that's struck me in the last couple of years, as I meet and talk with more women is just how many truly awful life stories I'm hearing. Things like abuse, rape, cheating husbands ... you name it, I've heard it.

Perhaps I'm some kind of magnet for them - I certainly don't intend to be one - or perhaps these sorts of things are just far more common than I thought.

My personal childhood trauma of having my parents split up when I was eight seems so trivial by comparison!

Paul
 
  Reply With Quote
Sassafras54 is offline Sassafras54Advice Official Moderator Post #22  April 4,2010, 9:55am
Sassafras54's Avatar

Your Community Coordinator

Moderator

Joined: Oct 2009

San Pedro, CA

Posts: 9,059

See profile

psgcooldog ... yeah, pretty much everyone has some horrible tales to tell about their life. Some have truly horrific stuff they deal with.

Bitterness can be a defense against further hurt. Unfortunately, it probably creates the hurt it's defending against ... because it repels so many people. And for good reason! It's unpleasant to be around. Or it can trigger people.

I agree with j8a ... reacting to bitterness with coldness just takes us both down a useless and completely foreseeable path.
 
  Reply With Quote
j0hn8andy is offline j0hn8andy Post #23  April 4,2010, 7:32pm
j0hn8andy's Avatar

.....yes, she.....Sweeps past softly, without a sigh.....

Power Poster

Joined: Jun 2009

California

Posts: 5,091

See profile

meri75 wrote :
The issue (for me) is that if a person here, or a real life situation, chooses to present him/herself as always negative, running down others, telling others not to do XYZ to he/she but then does that same XYZ to another individual ... things of that nature; and if they are the only things I'm seeing; well, I know I don't have the full picture. But, it is very difficult to be anything except repelled by that behaviour. It's not attractive, not only that, it's not necessary.
I think the key is they're the only things you see. The other day, I ran across a Friend in a thread I hadn't seen in quite some time. She's just been lurking.

Her post was very surprising to me. She attacked the OP. What was so surprising about it was that when she herself first came here, and created her own threads.....she was attacked (or at least it seemed that way to her). It's why she very seldom posts.

I remember it distinctly, because it's when we became Friends. So I was surprised that she would do to another what had been done to her.....that she didn't like.

But I don't look at that. I look at her with understanding, and I think about what I like about her, and what we have in common. I choose to look for the good.

I do agree with you it's difficult sometimes. I just don't think it's impossible. Again, I don't think anyone is always negative. I don't give up.

Just for clarity.....the Friend I speak of here.....is not the one that brought me into this thread.

Sassafras54 wrote :
... yeah, pretty much everyone has some horrible tales to tell about their life. Some have truly horrific stuff they deal with.
Now, this is what I mean about perception.

I'm the oldest of three sisters. We're all so close in age we were all three in High School together.

My youngest sister and I both believe we had the ideal childhood. My middle sister.....not.

Our middle sister is absolutely amazed we would think our childhoods ideal. We, in turn, find it difficult to understand why she doesn't see it that way.

We're all three looking at the same thing.

This is not in any way intended to minimize what I do know to be some truly horrific things that some people have experienced.

j8a
 
  Reply With Quote
scarlet13 is offline scarlet13 Post #24  April 4,2010, 7:54pm

no stuntman surprises or houdini like disguises for death defying escape

Unregistered

Joined: Apr 2009

Where the clouds are like headlines on a new front page sky

Posts: 10,721

See profile

j0hn8andy wrote :
I think the key is they're the only things you see. The other day, I ran across a Friend in a thread I hadn't seen in quite some time. She's just been lurking.

Her post was very surprising to me. She attacked the OP. What was so surprising about it was that when she herself first came here, and created her own threads.....she was attacked (or at least it seemed that way to her). It's why she very seldom posts.

j8a
I know what post you are talking about, and i can say for certainty your "Friend" did not attack the OP of that thread. if that was the case it would have been reported and the post deleted.

I understand your point about people not being mean and whatnot but I don't think it's fair to exaggerate to make a point, either.
 
  Reply With Quote
Capt_L_Mandrake is offline Capt_L_Mandrake Post #25  April 4,2010, 8:25pm
Capt_L_Mandra…'s Avatar

is trapped in the american dream

Quick Study

Joined: Feb 2010

California

Posts: 70

See profile

I haven't been posting on the boards very long, but I have been lurking here forever. One of the things I have noticed from some of the posters is that so many of their posts, newbies and vets alike, are so filled with bitterness and anger at the opposite sex.

I am going to be 38 at the end of the month. I've never been married, been engaged once. I've been ripped apart by some of the guys I have dated. Cheaters, abusers, wimps, selfish jerks. I have also dated some really truly, great guys. Yes, I am still single, mostly by choice at this point. But one thing I have never done is let all that beat me down to the point where I take it out on everyone, especially the opposite sex, and just give up. Believe me, there were days when I got hit with moments of hopelessness, but I never let it control my life. I picked myself up and moved on.

Life is too short to be so bitter. I try to look for the best in things, try to make positive outcomes out of negative situations. The one thing I have learned is that you can't count on someone else for your own happiness. You make your own, no one can do it for you.

So... you have had bad experiences with dating, with the opposite sex. People can feel that bitterness in you. It repels. It certainly doesn't attract. Confidence is certainly more attractive than someone constantly complaining or giving off that 'whoas me" vibe.

It makes me sad and disappointed to see how some of the posters here respond to others. You are doing the OP's and other posters a disservice, and yourself a disservice, by letting that venom, depression, bitterness, etc... bleed into your posts. You aren't helping. You could be hurting, though. And you are certainly being selfish. It's one thing to let experience guide you, it's another thing to drag company into your misery. Your misery may enjoy the company, but the people you are pulling down with you certainly don't.



Happiness cannot come from without. It must come from within. It is not what we see and touch or that which others do for us which makes us happy; it is that which WE think and feel and do, first for the other fellow and then for ourselves. ~ Helen Keller
Some wise words, the kind I run across and start thinking about what I'm doing with my life for a very long time. I think of myself (not to sound to aloof) as more "frustrated" than "bitter" I think this is because I have never been in a relationship. I run into some very, very nice women on rare occasion but often I don't even get a chance as they are already taken. "whoa is me" seems to come and go - but lack of experience is what usually makes me lack confidence around women. I can't read them at all, I can't tell if they like me or not, I have absolutely no idea as to how to talk to them and I certainly don't know how to initiate romance in any way.

Your Hellen Keller quotes suits the post well, and I like many, often struggle to put its lesson into practice, as a string of defeats with no successes at all can be very demoralizing.

But I think what keeps me going is the hope for a relationship - as those few women that I have met (that I would have LOVED to go out with) are kind of like a few beautiful fireflies within a long dark tunnel of what I call my love life. Hopefully someday I'll catch one.
 
  Reply With Quote
jayjay is offline jayjay Post #26  April 5,2010, 11:34am
jayjay's Avatar

...things seem to have gotten quiet around here.

Sage

Joined: Jun 2008

Brownsville, TX

Posts: 10,932

See profile

scarlet13 wrote :
I know what post you are talking about, and i can say for certainty your "Friend" did not attack the OP of that thread. if that was the case it would have been reported and the post deleted.

I understand your point about people not being mean and whatnot but I don't think it's fair to exaggerate to make a point, either.
I don't know post you and j0hn8andy are referring to.....but there are certainly many posts with personal attacks and these are not deleted. I just finished reading one in which one person said something to the effect that the idea of being with another poster would make them sick. These kinds of posts are not routinely deleted (or are given '5 stars').
Last edited by jayjay; April 5,2010 at 11:37am.
 
  Reply With Quote
scarlet13 is offline scarlet13 Post #27  April 5,2010, 11:44am

no stuntman surprises or houdini like disguises for death defying escape

Unregistered

Joined: Apr 2009

Where the clouds are like headlines on a new front page sky

Posts: 10,721

See profile

jayjay wrote :
I don't know post you and j0hn8andy are referring to.....but there are certainly many posts with personal attacks and these are not deleted. I just finished reading one in which one person said something to the effect that the idea of being with another poster would make them sick. These kinds of posts are not routinely deleted (or are given '5 stars').
maybe, but the my point remains that that post was not an attack- if it was than I'm the devil.

disagreement is not an attack.

ETA: I know the post you are refering to, and I don't think that it's a personal attack either- the poster is refering to "someone your (member's) age" not the member himself.
Last edited by scarlet13; April 5,2010 at 11:49am.
 
  Reply With Quote
yoga_gal is offline yoga_gal Post #28  April 5,2010, 12:35pm
yoga_gal's Avatar

Virtuoso

Joined: Nov 2008

Posts: 4,782

See profile

jayjay wrote :
I don't know post you and j0hn8andy are referring to.....but there are certainly many posts with personal attacks and these are not deleted. I just finished reading one in which one person said something to the effect that the idea of being with another poster would make them sick. These kinds of posts are not routinely deleted (or are given '5 stars').
JayJay, do you report these posts, even if they have been given "stars"? If you see any posts that you think are violating the guidelines and please report them. It is possible that they have not been seen by a mod or VCL.
 
  Reply With Quote
jayjay is offline jayjay Post #29  April 5,2010, 2:34pm
jayjay's Avatar

...things seem to have gotten quiet around here.

Sage

Joined: Jun 2008

Brownsville, TX

Posts: 10,932

See profile

scarlet13 wrote :
maybe, but the my point remains that that post was not an attack- if it was than I'm the devil.

disagreement is not an attack.

ETA: I know the post you are refering to, and I don't think that it's a personal attack either- the poster is refering to "someone your (member's) age" not the member himself.
I consider that to absolutely be a personal attack. The same as calling someone a name is. Such things are not 'disagreement'. I don't consider an 'attack' to be restricted to a literal threat.
 
  Reply With Quote
jayjay is offline jayjay Post #30  April 5,2010, 2:35pm
jayjay's Avatar

...things seem to have gotten quiet around here.

Sage

Joined: Jun 2008

Brownsville, TX

Posts: 10,932

See profile

yoga_gal wrote :
JayJay, do you report these posts, even if they have been given "stars"? If you see any posts that you think are violating the guidelines and please report them. It is possible that they have not been seen by a mod or VCL.
No....I'm generally a 'live and let live' type of poster. While I try to avoid such behavior myself.....it really has to get flagrant for me to report such things.
 
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Topic Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new topics
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Topics
Topic Topic Starter Board Replies Last Post
Is Bitterness Sabotaging Your Chances at Love? eharmonyadvice About You 14 January 2,2010 7:41am

Looking for a Great Relationship?

Get started now. Fill out this form and take the questionnaire to receive your matches.

First Name:

I'm a:
seeking

Postal Code:

Country:

Email:

Confirm Email:

Password:


How did you hear about us?


Latest on our Dating Advice Discussion Boards

“my husband died when our son was 30 months old. It still seems to be a central tenet of his relationship with the world. dragging past the cancer for the last 2 years and trying to reassure ... ” –  lada2

Join the “Has anyone lost their mother at a young age? How did it change your life?...or did it?” discussion

“What I hate is when i have said "It was nice to meet you." Then I have had the guy jump in and say "You too. I'd like to see you again." And then I am standing there looking for a way to tell him ... ” –  legend29

Join the “Saying what you mean...” discussion

“I've had the "wanna chat" message more than once.” –  Simplicity-2012

Join the “RED flags for women” discussion

“I thoroughly enjoy being an emotionally unhealthy and immature man!” –  Raw_Truth

Join the “Anyone ever try a professional matchmaker?” discussion

“i suspect he is not agonizing over it nearly as much as you are. i suffer from the stereotypical thinkking that guys are fine with separating feelings from yearnings Right up until they're not. ... ” –  D_Lion

Join the “Question on casual dating?” discussion



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 9:27pm.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0