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Faira is offline Faira Post #11  March 21,2010, 7:56pm
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion.

However...responding to someone else's worldview, even if you think it's inexperienced, with "ugh"... is just plain rude.
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justme27 wrote :
I enjoy the presence of more worldly people.
This can be misconstrued as Elitism.....the belief that one is better than others.....because others have not had the benefits of an education, travel, wealth, exposure to the arts.....all manner of things.

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j8a, I'm confused? How can worldly people be misconstrued? Well, I never worked in SF and I do believe we worked in different industries--I'm not certain what industry you worked in. Although I've never been to SF I have heard it is very, very liberal. And depending what industry you are in, people can be more accepting.

Are you angry with me j8a? I'm just sharing my experience. I don't take offense, but it may be offensive to others to tell them, "they don't understand their own experience."
I worked for the phone company. Corporations have their own language, filled with acronyms. I always was a square peg fitting into a round hole, as best I could. But I know nothing of this "hazing" you speak of.

I bring this up because it's the second time to occur. Please do not ask me if I'm "angry" when I disagree with you. If I am "angry" with you, JustMe, I will notify you of that via PM. I would never display "anger" towards a Friend.....in a public thread. I value my Friends.....you especially.

Friends are allowed to disagree in threads. Friends do that, because they respect each other's differences, and like each other anyway.

Your last statement.....is your own inference.....of what I said. I neither said it.....nor intended it. I do not take offense, or get "angry".....that you "misconstrued" what I said.

It's easy Online, to take things the wrong way.....in a way that a person did not intend. I find it best, generally.....to assume good intentions of others. It saves me needless aggravation, and even helps me to get along with people.

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Well, you're entitled to your opinion.

If your worldview is working for you as well you claim, why are you here asking for advice on how to deal with people at parties?

P.S. Responding to someone else's worldview, even if you think it's "inexperienced", with "ugh" is just plain rude. In fact, I'm going to exercise *my* preference to be responded to with respect, and just end this here. *wanders out*
Ok, that's a good question and to me it at least tells me that you misperceive the issue. The issue is that while I handled myself well at the party and did gain approval of the people there, I would not like to association with them any further. I stated that in my first two posts I believe. However, you are reading I struggled at the party and had a horrible time. That's not the case, it's not so black and white. I did enjoy myself. However, I prefer not to associate with people who are ethnocentric. And typically, gratefully, thankfully I don't normally encounter such people.

It's not a better than or worse than thing. It just is what it is.

I don't want to revert to academia, but I'm afraid in this case I have to. In a class I took on behavioral management, a psychology class, we discussed perceptions of culture and the different levels of perception. At the most basic level is the, "we are all the same," kind of perception. Somewhere at the top, is the realization that cultural differences are real and should be understood and respected. I'm trying to find some link about it online but here is the best I could do:

Three Levels of Culture - Schein, Edgard

If you need more than that, than I will grab my old textbook from the garage and type verbatim exactly what was written in the text.
 
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Don't trouble yourself; I took that class too, for my psychology degree.

I'm off to bed now.
 
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Don't trouble yourself; I took that class too, for my psychology degree.

I'm off to bed now.
Did you have a bad teacher or bad textbook or possibly both? I guess it is possible to take a class and learn nothing.
 
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Classy. *rolls eyes*

I editted the post where I said I was leaving because I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt...but I see now that there's truly no point in continuing this. Have a great day.
 
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Wow this thread went off in a weird direction, I wonder why?

Ethnocentricity ... it's alive and well and living in Los Angeles, one of the most diverse places in the world.

Some people only like people who come from the same culture and won't relate to others much, beyond commerce etc. Other people like a wider variety of people.

There can be good people and bad people of both types. Happy and unhappy of both types.

It's good to know what type you are.
 
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justme27 wrote :
From my experience dealing with usually the alpha male types, not necessarily though and I may not be describing the types correctly, there is usually at least little bit of, "do you belong."


I won't go into corporate politics because you have to be there to understand it. I don't believe you are there. No offense by that but if you are against hazing and fraternities than I highly doubt the competitive corporate world is your style.
First paragraph: that's generally only true if the people involved are very immature. For example, I'm not very athletic, but I can still go to the gym full of guys who are without getting grief from them. That would only happen if I started some nonsense with them. Now maybe if we were all 12 years old they'd be laughing about how much more weight they can lift than I can...

Oh, I happen to live in an area where some people's first language is not English, and that hasn't been a problem.

Certainly someone should be able to attend a party without being mistreated. Parties are supposed to be about having fun.

I've worked in the corporate world; you were probably in single digits when I started- and generally, hazing-type behavior is not tolerated. Office politics is so far from hazing that it's laughable to compare them.

I've also worked with a lot of people from other countries- no real problems there other than sometimes understanding their accents, but no knife fights or anything due to being from different cultures.

I have nothing against fraternities.

I don't think you get what hazing really is.
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Wow this thread went off in a weird direction, I wonder why?

Ethnocentricity ... it's alive and well and living in Los Angeles, one of the most diverse places in the world.

Some people only like people who come from the same culture and won't relate to others much, beyond commerce etc. Other people like a wider variety of people.

There can be good people and bad people of both types. Happy and unhappy of both types.

It's good to know what type you are.
Reading your post Sassafras was a relief!!! I'm glad someone but me understands this phenomena in diverse cities and is willing to acknowledge it. I can't tell you why this thread took a weird turn, maybe it is a sensitive topic or an unusual one and not one many are willing to discuss. I find you very objective but it is something I'm going to bring up with my therapist just to get her opinion on the matter.
 
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First paragraph: that's generally only true if the people involved are very immature. For example, I'm not very athletic, but I can still go to the gym full of guys who are without getting grief from them. That would only happen if I started some nonsense with them. Now maybe if we were all 12 years old they'd be laughing about how much more weight they can lift than I can...

Oh, I happen to live in an area where some people's first language is not English, and that hasn't been a problem.

Certainly someone should be able to attend a party without being mistreated. Parties are supposed to be about having fun.

I've worked in the corporate world; you were probably in single digits when I started- and generally, hazing-type behavior is not tolerated. Office politics is so far from hazing that it's laughable to compare them.

I've also worked with a lot of people from other countries- no real problems there other than sometimes understanding their accents, but no knife fights or anything due to being from different cultures.

I have nothing against fraternities.

I don't think you get what hazing really is.
Mr. Flyer fair enough. I humbly believe you are writing with sincerity and maybe in this case I misused the word "hazing." I guess it has stronger connotations than I thought. I will definitely note that in using it in the future. You are correct, I've never been a fraternity--although I wish I did that college--so I don't know what real hazing is and maybe that is why I misuse it. I really appreciate your feedback because you are honest to your experience and reasonable in assessing others experience. Thanks for the feedback.
 
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