LizziePooh is offline LizziePooh Post #181  November 5,2009, 7:11pm

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I call you Diana of Troy ... you know that, LizziePooh, right?

I've often thought of D as Spock. But since he's experiencing Pon farr ... I really think we should ignore him until he gets ... um ...

What ever ... he ... um ... needs.
lol! Are you a trekking?? Isn't it Deanna Troi?? My old roommate was in love with her - you can call me that anytime!

I had to look up Pon Farr!! Can frogs get in heat?? Hope he uses protection. lol!!
 
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Wrong.

The single most important factor is maintenance of the income stream. Without income children are living on the street and computing the market value of selling sex.
Yes, of course if you are neglecting yourself to the point that you can't hold down your job, of course that will hurt your kids. However, I think that you'll find that if you take inventory of what is truly necessary and what is desirable, the absolutely necessary is far less than your actual expenditures. For example: living in a 3 bedroom house by yourself. Certainly desirable....not even close to necessary. If you're in a position to own a house, you have enough money to support a child. Raising a child certainly has consequences for your standard of living,

The idea that your child should be the secondary priority is poppycock. A parent's needs take precedence only so far as they are necessary for the child's needs.
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LizziePooh wrote :
So DL - what age would your child (if you had one) have to have their own income stream to pay for stuff like food, clothes, sports, movies, etc?

I'm not sure.

My initial answer is that this would depend heavily on my income, my partner's income, and unforeseeable expenses (such as number of relocations or changes in employment benefits, which altered my cash flow projections.)

I am not aligned with an idea of not supporting children, but I am also not aligned with providing to children luxuries which I can not afford for myself. Keeping in mind, that "sports, movies," etc are things I cannot afford, I do not consider them justified for a child.

Survival expenses associated with a resident child, I do not see an upper cut-off age. Entertainments, I do nto see funding at any age, unless I were rather well off indeed.
 
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I'm not sure what the procedure is for neutering frogs. Now, I think he needs to practice precautions just like anyone ... but I just can't recommend any more strongly that he return to Vulcan. Like: now.
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LizziePooh wrote :
Yes! exactly! And that is why I think DL is wrong on filtering women who let him pay - if someone offered to pay for dinner, he would let them. So he should be appreciating that same value in his women. lol!

All Ladies have now entered the twilight zone.
 
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D_Lion wrote :
I'm not sure.

My initial answer is that this would depend heavily on my income, my partner's income, and unforeseeable expenses (such as number of relocations or changes in employment benefits, which altered my cash flow projections.)

I am not aligned with an idea of not supporting children, but I am also not aligned with providing to children luxuries which I can not afford for myself. Keeping in mind, that "sports, movies," etc are things I cannot afford, I do not consider them justified for a child.

Survival expenses associated with a resident child, I do not see an upper cut-off age. Entertainments, I do nto see funding at any age, unless I were rather well off indeed.
So out of curiosity - is your personal internet access a luxury or a necessity for your employment? Also, if you can not afford luxury items, how do you justify fine-dining expenses? Is it rationalized because you only do that on a date and it is justified because there is some value to it that you see in choosing a partner?

(And I do mean these questions seriously)
 
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D_Lion wrote :
I'm not sure.

My initial answer is that this would depend heavily on my income, my partner's income, and unforeseeable expenses (such as number of relocations or changes in employment benefits, which altered my cash flow projections.)

I am not aligned with an idea of not supporting children, but I am also not aligned with providing to children luxuries which I can not afford for myself. Keeping in mind, that "sports, movies," etc are things I cannot afford, I do not consider them justified for a child.

Survival expenses associated with a resident child, I do not see an upper cut-off age. Entertainments, I do nto see funding at any age, unless I were rather well off indeed.
That's just it! We give our kids these "extras" only based on our ability to provide them. For example, if my two want the named brand clothes (Abercrombie springs to mind) they earn the money for the extra it costs for a pair of jeans from there as opposed to Old Navy which is where I typically buy their stuff (don't worry, I have teenagers - I'm not sending little ones out to work!). We're all living within our means here.
 
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For those men and women who chose to have children, there is a moral obligation to provide for said children equally whether married or divorced.
Fine personal opinion, but there is not the means!That is an absolute. Household loses income equals less money!
 
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D_Lion wrote :
Wrong.

The single most important factor is maintenance of the income stream. Without income children are living on the street and computing the market value of selling sex.
So it's all or nothing? Either the household income remains the same or it is completely absent?

I know that this is probably beyond your comprehension, but even though kids do need basic material needs provided for them, they have non-material needs as well. It's not only an issue of income - it's an issue of balancing all their needs with economic realities.
 
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So out of curiosity - is your personal internet access a luxury or a necessity for your employment? Also, if you can not afford luxury items, how do you justify fine-dining expenses? Is it rationalized because you only do that on a date and it is justified because there is some value to it that you see in choosing a partner?

(And I do mean these questions seriously)

Internet is a borderline expense for me; it is one of my three largest costs which are not a survival essential (the others are women and alcohol.) Internet is an essential for conducting banking, bill paying, and job search activities (more precisely, it is cheaper than driving to the library to do those things, which makes it an essential.)

Yes, I only eat out with a partner (I cook well myself, so there is not a quality gain to go out.) When going out, I do expect a meal to be at the quality of what I can make myself, and the atmosphere to be what I expect; this puts me in a certain price point.
 
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