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clearlyoblique wrote :
Oh ... the paradox that a man who is means spirited has to deal with is:

If he finds a woman that has the same values he does ... then he has found a woman that values the same things he does.

And that may continue to reinforce his beliefs that woman are out for money ... because that kind of woman is motivated by it, shares interest in it and values it highly.
Yes! exactly! And that is why I think DL is wrong on filtering women who let him pay - if someone offered to pay for dinner, he would let them. So he should be appreciating that same value in his women. lol!
 
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D_Lion wrote :
I admit this readily. I don't know how to incorporate it into a model for evaluating any specific possible partner, though. Until there is specific data, go with probability.
...and here "probability" is simply a rational sounding way of saying "going with my gut while avoid information that would change my default beliefs"


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Fair personal value, but I think my ability to survive matters more. In any case, I don't think "thousands of dollars of tye-kwon-do lessons" warrants a man being homeless, as some posts appear to contend. Heck, that's more than most of my cars; more than the down payment on my house!
More irrational statements. That fact is that you don't want to believe that raising a child could actually cost a lot of money. Assuming that child support payments are simply a funnel for luxury goods for women allows you to avoid re-evaluating your beliefs about the motives of women you receive such payments. This is also evidenced by your repeated assertions that child support "would make you homeless", a statement which has already been repeatedly debunked (have you tried out one of those child support calculators yet?).
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It's just a fact that it costs more to house a family than it does to house an individual.

Not 40% of $400 k over 18 years! You're avoiding the debate!

When I moved to my current area, houses were 3 to 5 bedrooms. (Yes, there are condos in Manhattan, but that is not where I live.)

It is minimally more costly to house additional persons in a house - not anywhere near USDA PR implication.
 
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So DL - what age would your child (if you had one) have to have their own income stream to pay for stuff like food, clothes, sports, movies, etc?
 
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LizziePooh wrote :
So DL - what age would your child (if you had one) have to have their own income stream to pay for stuff like food, clothes, sports, movies, etc?
If they want food and diapers, they better be out there working!!
 
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LizziePooh wrote :
Yes! exactly! And that is why I think DL is wrong on filtering women who let him pay - if someone offered to pay for dinner, he would let them. So he should be appreciating that same value in his women. lol!
I call you Diana of Troy ... you know that, LizziePooh, right?

I've often thought of D as Spock. But since he's experiencing Pon farr ... I really think we should ignore him until he gets ... um ...

What ever ... he ... um ... needs.
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Not 40% of $400 k over 18 years! You're avoiding the debate!

When I moved to my current area, houses were 3 to 5 bedrooms. (Yes, there are condos in Manhattan, but that is not where I live.)

It is minimally more costly to house additional persons in a house - not anywhere near USDA PR implication.
Hence, there it a minimal increase per child ($67-150/month) in budget for housing in the USDA numbers. I linked them for you, so you can use them specifically instead of having to guess.
 
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If they want food and diapers, they better be out there working!!

The baby can just hold a sign that says "Will cry for diapers!!"

Puts a whole new spin on crying because I need a diaper.
 
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Who said anything about no regard? That fact of the matter is that raising children requires you to put the interests of your child above your own...if caring for yourself out of what is left over after caring for your kids (rather than the reverse) is unthinkable to you, then you're definitely making the right decision to not have kids.

Wrong.

The single most important factor is maintenance of the income stream. Without income children are living on the street and computing the market value of selling sex.
 
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I admit this readily. I don't know how to incorporate it into a model for evaluating any specific possible partner, though. Until there is specific data, go with probability.





Fair personal value, but I think my ability to survive matters more. In any case, I don't think "thousands of dollars of tye-kwon-do lessons" warrants a man being homeless, as some posts appear to contend. Heck, that's more than most of my cars; more than the down payment on my house!
Again, "thousands" of $$$? For Tae Kwan Do??? Where are you getting these numbers from?

Anyway, it won't apply to you since you won't be having children.

For those men and women who chose to have children, there is a moral obligation to provide for said children equally whether married or divorced. Don't want the responsibility, don't have the kids. Simple.
 
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