I'm attracted to independent women

Woah, children, settle down now. I'd say "get back on topic" but at this point it seems like a lost cause =).

I would make a different argument (as I have in other threads on this subject). Women initiate more often than men...considerably more often. At least in physical encounters (not online ones).

This is the part where everyone chimes (or hops) in and says "That's not true! How often do you see a girl walk up to a guy at the bar?" Let me clarify what I mean by "initiating."

The majority of the time women initiate by the "eye contact and smile" method. They may or may not be aware of it but a single woman looking around for guys they're interested in will often try to make eye contact with a such a guy and see if he responds by noticing (indicating returned interest) and approaching (indicating a measure of confidence).

Guys, on the other hand, will rarely go up to some random girl they are interested in without some sort of cue that she is interested in return. From an outsider's perspective this whole thing looks like the guy is doing everything but it's not that simple. There's a lot of "talking" going on before they exchange the first word and it's more often than not the woman giving the initial "green light."

Of course there are exceptions. There are guys who will go up to women who give no signals and try their luck anyway. There are girls too embarrassed when they see an interesting guy to give a green light and will look away instead (these are usually the ones who complain about how guys never seem interested in them). It's not a rule. We're talking about generalities.

Without looking at the subtleties of human interaction it's easy to make incorrect assumptions based on people's behavior. Women are typically taught not to "initiate," at least not in the sense of walking up and talking to a guy for the purpose of getting to know someone romantically. That doesn't mean they aren't initiating in more subtle ways. It's just how men have the stereotype of thinking about sex more often than women when the more likely reality is that men and women think about sex equally but women are less likely to articulate it based on cultural attitudes.

The "green light" is typically the first bit of information between people that indicates interest. This is typically done by females much more often than by males. Thus I would argue women initiate more often than men.

I just thought I'd point that out .

Jacquesne

Isnt that kinda just what I said I do?

Without looking at the subtleties of human interaction it's easy to make incorrect assumptions based on people's behavior. Women are typically taught not to "initiate," at least not in the sense of walking up and talking to a guy for the purpose of getting to know someone romantically. That doesn't mean they aren't initiating in more subtle ways. It's just how men have the stereotype of thinking about sex more often than women when the more likely reality is that men and women think about sex equally but women are less likely to articulate it based on cultural attitudes.

The "green light" is typically the first bit of information between people that indicates interest. This is typically done by females much more often than by males. Thus I would argue women initiate more often than men.

I just thought I'd point that out .

Jacquesne

Woah, children, settle down now. I'd say "get back on topic" but at this point it seems like a lost cause =).

I would make a different argument (as I have in other threads on this subject). Women initiate more often than men...considerably more often. At least in physical encounters (not online ones).

This is the part where everyone chimes (or hops) in and says "That's not true! How often do you see a girl walk up to a guy at the bar?" Let me clarify what I mean by "initiating."

The majority of the time women initiate by the "eye contact and smile" method. They may or may not be aware of it but a single woman looking around for guys they're interested in will often try to make eye contact with a such a guy and see if he responds by noticing (indicating returned interest) and approaching (indicating a measure of confidence).

Guys, on the other hand, will rarely go up to some random girl they are interested in without some sort of cue that she is interested in return. From an outsider's perspective this whole thing looks like the guy is doing everything but it's not that simple. There's a lot of "talking" going on before they exchange the first word and it's more often than not the woman giving the initial "green light."

Of course there are exceptions. There are guys who will go up to women who give no signals and try their luck anyway. There are girls too embarrassed when they see an interesting guy to give a green light and will look away instead (these are usually the ones who complain about how guys never seem interested in them). It's not a rule. We're talking about generalities.

Without looking at the subtleties of human interaction it's easy to make incorrect assumptions based on people's behavior. Women are typically taught not to "initiate," at least not in the sense of walking up and talking to a guy for the purpose of getting to know someone romantically. That doesn't mean they aren't initiating in more subtle ways. It's just how men have the stereotype of thinking about sex more often than women when the more likely reality is that men and women think about sex equally but women are less likely to articulate it based on cultural attitudes.

The "green light" is typically the first bit of information between people that indicates interest. This is typically done by females much more often than by males. Thus I would argue women initiate more often than men.

I just thought I'd point that out .

Jacquesne

So true, I agree with you. I don't think that I have ever 'approach' a woman without some kind of signal that she is a little interested.

Woah, children, settle down now. I'd say "get back on topic" but at this point it seems like a lost cause =).

I would make a different argument (as I have in other threads on this subject). Women initiate more often than men...considerably more often. At least in physical encounters (not online ones).

This is the part where everyone chimes (or hops) in and says "That's not true! How often do you see a girl walk up to a guy at the bar?" Let me clarify what I mean by "initiating."

The majority of the time women initiate by the "eye contact and smile" method. They may or may not be aware of it but a single woman looking around for guys they're interested in will often try to make eye contact with a such a guy and see if he responds by noticing (indicating returned interest) and approaching (indicating a measure of confidence).

Guys, on the other hand, will rarely go up to some random girl they are interested in without some sort of cue that she is interested in return. From an outsider's perspective this whole thing looks like the guy is doing everything but it's not that simple. There's a lot of "talking" going on before they exchange the first word and it's more often than not the woman giving the initial "green light."

Of course there are exceptions. There are guys who will go up to women who give no signals and try their luck anyway. There are girls too embarrassed when they see an interesting guy to give a green light and will look away instead (these are usually the ones who complain about how guys never seem interested in them). It's not a rule. We're talking about generalities.

Without looking at the subtleties of human interaction it's easy to make incorrect assumptions based on people's behavior. Women are typically taught not to "initiate," at least not in the sense of walking up and talking to a guy for the purpose of getting to know someone romantically. That doesn't mean they aren't initiating in more subtle ways. It's just how men have the stereotype of thinking about sex more often than women when the more likely reality is that men and women think about sex equally but women are less likely to articulate it based on cultural attitudes.

The "green light" is typically the first bit of information between people that indicates interest. This is typically done by females much more often than by males. Thus I would argue women initiate more often than men.

I just thought I'd point that out .

Jacquesne