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graceventually is offline graceventually Post #61  July 14,2009, 7:10am
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I'm curious. What do 'progressive' religious groups (such as I think you belong to) do with Biblical references to the distinct roles of husbands/wives?
OK, we're off topic here, but since you asked....(and if the other two clergywomen that I know sometimes frequent the boards are around, please jump in!)

I take it, jayjay, that you are referring primarily to the "husbands, love your wives...wives, submit yourself to your own husbands" passage in Ephesians, and a related one in 2 Peter. I think most of us read those with an eye to the context and the customs of that time, the same way as we read the passage about women's head coverings. Some scholars conclude that some early Christian women may have thought that if they had converted before their husbands did, they could act as though that gave them some sort of special authority in the marriage. You can imagine how poorly that would have gone over in such a patriarchal society. So, some of those writings may have been in reaction to that.

Also, those passages really give the husbands a very challenging job - to love their wives "as Christ loved the church". A man who really did that would always be doing what was best for his wife. And she'd be a foolish woman indeed not to "submit" to her best interest, wouldn't she? Ultimately, though, two people who are sincerely trying to live as Christian disciples are going to find that they are both more concerned about the role of Christ as Lord in their lives, and less concerned about one "lording it over" the other.

I think some people also read more into those passages than is actually there. The New Testament doesn't tell women in general to submit to men in general, it doesn't say that women are inferior, etc. People who desire to be sexist can twist those texts for their own ends. I remember seeing something in a history book once where an nineteenth-century clergyman was ranting about coeducation, because to educate both sexes together was "contrary to Scripture". Well, Jesus was the only first-century rabbi that we know of who had women disciples who sat and listened and discussed along with the male disciples, so I would argue exactly the opposite.

Anyway, that was a long detour. Back to the main road.......
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I like southern accents. *SIGH*

Does it count that I've been discriminated against because although I have a WONDERFUL personality and am a VERY GIVING person that I'm a big girl? Mind you, I carry it pretty good, but I'm still not a size 2.
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graceventually wrote :
I take it, jayjay, that you are referring primarily to the "husbands, love your wives...wives, submit yourself to your own husbands" passage in Ephesians, and a related one in 2 Peter. I think most of us read those with an eye to the context and the customs of that time, the same way as we read the passage about women's head coverings. Some scholars conclude that some early Christian women may have thought that if they had converted before their husbands did, they could act as though that gave them some sort of special authority in the marriage. You can imagine how poorly that would have gone over in such a patriarchal society. So, some of those writings may have been in reaction to that.
OK...I'm still not sure what this means people in the progressive denominations are taught regarding a 'biblical' husband/wife relationship....but thanks.
 
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Probably a book or two written for married couples from one of the non-fundamentalist Christian publishers would give a more detailed idea. Adam Hamilton is one United Methodist author who comes to mind as someone who has designed study guides for the Bible, understanding other religions, and on marriage.

But again, I am way off-topic, and I apologize.
 
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Frankly, I prefer taller men, simply because they make me feel like.. A WOMAN. Bigger/taller/stockier whatever you want to call it. I've been discriminated against myself because I'm NOT a size 2.

Guys don't care if I have a great personality, or if I'm a very generous person. All they care about is if they have a trophy on their arm. I've met a few who weren't like that, and such is life. You gotta move on, and stand straighter because someone out there WILL love you for who you are, what you look like, or your personality.

Women do the same thing. We are all human. I figure, if I didn't meet his preferance, then he wasn't meant to be. I don't like shallow people. A shallow person wouldn't see the wonderful person I am DEEP inside and appreciate it anyhow. I'm better off. So was he, cuz I think I just displayed my bad attitude. SORRY!
 
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Me too! You're my new role model!
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try being a FEMALE minister in a mainline denomination with TATTOOS!
Rock on! I always love being told I can't be a christian because I have tattoos. =D

I actually have a tattoo under my left collar bone that reads, "Act Justly, Love Mercy, Walk Humbly." It is an excerpt from Micah 6:8 - the place I got the idea for this tattoo was from the lead teaching pastor at our church... because he has this tattoo as well.
 
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Chickie1984 wrote :
Ah little man syndrome when short guys just go overboard in everything else to compensate their lack of height eg (and this is a real person actually) Male late 20s approx 5'5", definitely weight lifts and has nice big muscles outlined by a tight T-shirt, drives a hummer, and has a boisterous, loud gragarious manner. Because he is short this is known as little man syndrome, if he were tall, he'd be known as a douchebag.
Chickie's a perfect example of a heightist. Are women who "go overboard in everything else" to make the same salary as men suffering from "little woman syndrome" ? Of course not. You have to struggle to overcome the subtle prejudices that society still tolerates; just like short men have to. Careful, your prejudice is showing...
 
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Only since my twin accidents in February have I started to have people treat me differently. I dislocated both shoulders and as such, I have been unable to work out in any way (only in the last few weeks have I been able to pick up my girls). I have gained maybe 15 lbs since then (and I was doing so well losing weight up to that point) that people often treat me poorly. It's a shame really. I feel sorry for them.
 
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This is why I think actors have a lot of fun. If you understand which exact judgements are based off of you can dress up different, get a different job act different; and watch how people respond its amusing. Ever try practicing a fake accent and talking with poeple you don't know? Its funny.

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Trikster wrote :
Only since my twin accidents in February have I started to have people treat me differently. I dislocated both shoulders and as such, I have been unable to work out in any way (only in the last few weeks have I been able to pick up my girls). I have gained maybe 15 lbs since then (and I was doing so well losing weight up to that point) that people often treat me poorly. It's a shame really. I feel sorry for them.
I'm so sorry you've had to go through this, Trikster; and that others have been so shallow. Hope it gets better every day.
 
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