Why is physical apperance such an issue


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EHSeeker is offline EHSeeker Post #191  December 11,2010, 2:34pm
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do many women tell you that they don't care if you dress like a slob?
No, but I don't dress like a slob so it doesn't come up. Unless you consider not wearing a suit at all times a slob.

It's just like the nice guy thing. Women say they want nice guys, but respond better to you being a bit of a jerk. This study shows a similar trend. Women say they don't care about clothes (as long as you're clean and wearing something appropriate), but apparently tend to go for the guy that's more sharply dressed than the pack. You want the alpha male, not just Mr. minimum requirements. My personal experiences have done nothing but support this so it's interesting to hear. From here on I'm taking after Barney Stinson Suits at all times.

Not saying that anyone's a liar. But there may be a disconnect between what people ideally want and what they actually respond to. Do women really understand their own neuropsychological triggers?
Although if you want men to stop acting like jerks or preening over looks, it may be helpful to stop rewarding such behavior patterns. A lot of people will just do what works. Furthermore, sites like eHarmony say you want a MAN, not someone who does everything you tell him, and a caveat of that is someone who thinks independently and will respond to your behavior instead of how you tell him to act.
 
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what study says that women don't care about clothes? which women here said they don't care about clothes?

because you said "i should stop listening to what women say" yet i don't see anywhere where women stated that what a man wears makes no difference. in fact, St Paul Girl and I said that yes, what a man wears makes a difference.
 
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No, but I don't dress like a slob so it doesn't come up. Unless you consider not wearing a suit at all times a slob.

It's just like the nice guy thing...
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@scarlet:

You said well-dressed is better than slob, but super-fancy doesn't matter.

This says BEST dressed is better than well-dressed. Diff story.

Not calling anyone a liar. But people don't always do what they say.

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There have been a great many studies conducted on womens preferences regarding well dressed men. They virtually all agree that well dressed men, even if obviously overdressed for the occasion, do much better with women. It didn't matter at all what the venue or the goal. From dive bars to five star restaurants, whether seeking a one night stand or a potential bride, the best dressed did best.

The surveys I refer to are what the women actually did. This is in contrast to what most of the women surveyed said.

The great majority of women actually went out with or to bed with the best dressed men.
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scarlet13 wrote :
because you said "i should stop listening to what women say" yet i don't see anywhere where women stated that what a man wears makes no difference. in fact, St Paul Girl and I said that yes, what a man wears makes a difference.
LOL sorry I never said anything about "women on eharmony". I meant women in general. People I know in person.

Also the people in the studies mentioned.
 
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what studies? can you link to them?

we (men and women) are all in agreement. I'm just wondering why you are acting like we aren't. are you misreading posts?
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After I turned 40 I found my weight getting out of my control, or so I felt. For me, my weight is a huge issue. I fight every day to keep it with in my acceptable margin. I know I am not young anymore and my motablisum has changed as well as my activity levels, but I will not give up the battle. I see people all around me that just let it go, men more so than women, and it puzzles me. We hear everyday how we live in an obeas (damn spell check) society. It's not healthy and I want a partner that is healthy. Not someone that looks like a canadate for diabietis or a heart attack. What gets me is how our acceptance for the over weight has affected our children today. I have a 6 year old child that lives next door to me that weighs more than I do. You can't tell me that this is healthy. Sure she's big boned, but no 6 year old should ever weigh more than a hundred pounds and she is far beyond that mark. At 6 years old she is already on the road to a very unhealthy life. So to answer your question, "Why is physical apperance such an issue", I believe people are naturaly attracted to a healthy looking companion. A few extra pounds or even down sized, can be acceptable, but when it starts to look like it could affect their health, it becomes a turn off. There is nothing shallow about wanting a healthy looking partner. For some people the idea of excess weight is as big a turn off as a drunk or a druggy. Not a shallow concept, just practical.
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scarlet13 wrote :
what studies? can you link to them?

we (men and women) are all in agreement. I'm just wondering why you are acting like we aren't. are you misreading posts?
The post I quoted from namati...

Does it not say that women, through behavior, preferred the BEST dressed men to the just averagely well-dressed (not slobs).

However those same women on surveys said that being BEST dressed didn't matter (even though they went to bed with the best dressed ones). Is that not what his post is saying?

Yes I believe we were in agreement before.
 
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Hey,

I have recently lost alot of weight and all of a sudden have lots of interest from the opposite sex, I'm still the same person and find it funny that a lot of people are so shallow, yes I look great, feel great now but as said I'm still the same person, more of a statement than a question but most men are quite shallow if they can't see past a persons apperance.

Something I have to come to terms with i guess.

Susan
Most -- almost all -- men spend their entire lives lusting after women. They compare one to another to another, and as a result, physical appearance becomes very important -- often the most important thing a woman must have. (I'm not knocking it as something to consider; it does have a place. But I would look at it as more of a check-box: if she's attractive enough to you, i.e., not too unattractive, then that's all you need.)

This is one of the 2-3 most recurring threads on this board (and probably always will be): women posting threads about men who shallowly focus purely on physical appearance. It's true, it's unfortunate, and it's probably a big reason why so many relationships fail: charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting. (As food for thought: You could liken men's behavior to womens' proclivity to compare men for their various relationship-related attributes. While men and women are very different, their challenges appear to be the same.) To expand on the thought above (with my own example), I'm in a similar situation with regard to women: as soon as I graduated (and also from grad school), I discovered a huge increase in the amount of interest from women. But most of it is because I have a great job/career, earning potential, great degrees, etc. (In fact, a female friend recently related to me that a lot of our mutual friends who are women are interested in me especially for those reasons...ick!) That interest has nothing to do with me as a person, and it strikes me as just as shallow (and foolish!) as mens' focus on physical appearance. But so it is. I can't blame women for not liking a guy who can't hold down a job (any more than women should blame most men for not being attracted to a woman who's *really* unattractive), but like physical appearance, it's more of a check box (status/wealth) than the thing a woman should be after.

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I'm afraid we both have to deal with a lot of attention from the opposite sex that's mostly for the wrong reasons. It's annoying (and I've personally been annoyed by it a lot lately), but so it goes...
(At least men can't disguise their interest in physical appearance -- and usually don't try to -- nearly as much as women do with regard to interest in status/wealth; women can be crafty, especially over the short-term). I wish you the best of luck!
 
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