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Dragonseeker is offline Dragonseeker Post #161  November 1,2009, 2:16pm
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I always wondered the samething. Why is looks so important to the opposite sex? Why does the outer beauty matter more than the inner beauty? Yes I know you need to be attracted to the person you are with but looks are not what make you as a person.
 
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Looks are important for relationships. This isn't that complicated. What is the real difference between a girlfriend and a friend who's a girl? Typically it's because you don't think of your female friend "that way."

This is the same for women. I'm sure most women out there have guys they're friends with but aren't in a relationship with. What's the difference between them and relationship material?

I'll tell you what it's not. It's not their "inner beauty." Presumably you like your friends. You get along with them, your personalities mesh well, and you enjoy their company. Yet you still don't want to date them or sleep with them. That's purely physical.

What makes someone relationship material, for both men and women, is the combination of those physical and personal attributes that we are drawn to. If it's only the physical we like they're the "beautiful jerk/weirdo." If it's only the personal they're "just friends."

Both these things combine to be someone who's datable to us and then you have to factor in two other important aspects-reciprocity and environment. By reciprocity I mean they must feel the same way towards you for a relationship to begin and by environment I mean the situation must be appropriate (proximity, both people being single, same language, etc.).

The myth is that one matters more than the other. For a relationship this simply isn't true. Sure, the physical matters more in a purely physical encounter; one-night-stands involve two people and typically both genders. Women aren't judging the guy they want to sleep with and never see again based on his sparkling personality.

The physical is so important because it is the factor that takes something from otherwise being a friendship into a relationship.

Saying "looks are not what make you as a person" is like saying that you only have reason and not emotion. It's not true. People are a product of their appearance. We all at least partially define who we are by our appearance and the responses others have to that appearance.

These things do not exist alone. While it's convenient to think of it that way it's not accurate. Appearance is important because people say it is. And thus it's important, just as money has value because people believe it has value. Just because it's a social and biological construct doesn't make it any less real.

In fact it makes it more real. =)

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Dragonseeker wrote :
I always wondered the samething. Why is looks so important to the opposite sex? Why does the outer beauty matter more than the inner beauty? Yes I know you need to be attracted to the person you are with but looks are not what make you as a person.
Outer beauty doesn't matter more, it just matters also. I want to be with a person to whom I'm attracted on the inside *and* the outside...what's so complicated about that?
 
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Dragonseeker wrote :
I always wondered the samething. Why is looks so important to the opposite sex? Why does the outer beauty matter more than the inner beauty? Yes I know you need to be attracted to the person you are with but looks are not what make you as a person.
Physical appearance wouldn't be an issue....if we were just computers looking to interface. But, we're not. We're biological organisms programmed to procreate. That's an entirely different ballgame in which looks can mean a great deal.
 
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jayjay wrote :
Physical appearance wouldn't be an issue....if we were just computers looking to interface. But, we're not. We're biological organisms programmed to procreate. That's an entirely different ballgame in which looks can mean a great deal.
i agree, for some reason, men I am attracted to and that are available are few and far between. The men that actually approach me for the most part are not attractive to me, and while they may be "great" guys, there is something lacking? that I can't get past. likes attract likes for the most part, due to procreation, whether that is your goal or not. How often do you see a couple out together that you wonder,
"what the heck? was she/he thinking?"most couples seem to go together
 
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"Bigger boobs, more milk." The simple male mind equates "Bigger = More"

A bigger bag, carries more things.
A bigger bucket, carries more water.
A bigger breast, must have more milk.


So wait! bigger IS better? I am so confoosed
Congrats to the OP for losing weight I know it was not easy but I sincerely think that men are not so shallow as,, they just never looked in your direction before because large women were not in their list of preferences for a mate.

I know also that you probably have changed in some ways you do not realize, your smiling more, liking that attention more, even if it makes you wonder whats up.

There are so many reasons for being overweight and many are health reasons (understandable), how you were raised and treated, some were treated badly as they grew up with mental or physical abuse, some were never told No.

Some are overcompensating for what they missed as a child, "I never got to eat dessert so now I can anytime I want".

Lets face it, some foods are to dang good to not have seconds.

Some feel depressed due to their situation which, sometimes yes, can be helped but sometimes it can't.

To feel that overweight people are slobs who don't care is surely the wrong way to think.

The old adage,,Don't judge me until you have walked a mile in my shoes, seems appropriate.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion of who they want for a mate, that is natural and normal, however, name calling only makes things worse and sometimes you look worse for it.

I also work in the medical profession and see skinny people drop dead from heart attacks, some as young as 23, and not from drugs.

I have seen many who are overweight, couples come in and are so in love they can't be out of each other's sight.

I have seen skinny men with overweight women who are very much in love and the opposite also, skinny women and overweight men.

Love is where you find it, its not always what you want but its what makes your heart melt.

 
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sabete2002 wrote :
That's what upsets me too, neardc. If being overweight was as simple as calories in/calories out, there would be a lot fewer people struggling with weight issues. Oftentimes, it is more complex than that. Just as alcoholics and drug abusers are dealing with some psychological issue so too are people who overeat. I know I did. When I could get my head straight and deal with what was going on inside, food no longer filled the same role and it was easier to eat sensibly.
Being overweight IS that simple, even with a disorder. If you consume more calories than you burn, you will gain weight. These genetic defects that you talk about just make it more difficult to burn calories. Think of it this way. Take any person, fat or thin, and take away a third of their food every day for a month, and they will lose weight. Maybe not a lot, but it will happen.

I do understand that it is difficult to have self control, especially if you have an addiction to eating, however, that does not change the mechanics of weight gain.

And for me, I am a tall-short guy. So I am 0.5 inches below the national average. I am in excellent shape. I love to do things like wakeboard, water ski, I run 3 miles every day and lift weights every other day. I am attracted to not only someone who would be interested in doing some of those things with me. But it is deeper than that.

Every guy wants his kids to be like him, and if I have an obese wife, the chances of my children being obese (therefore unlike myself) increase drastically.
 
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I am sorry, maybe this is out of place, but: do we not all have our preferences, men and women alike? I am sure if we thought about it there are some things that we just will not accept in a mate, whether it be the weight, height, hair, teeth, mannerism, religion or whatever. I do not put down a man because he doesn't like overweight women, it is simply a preference. True it seems shallow but we are all shallow on one level or another. We all have our preferences and shouldn't single out the weight "issue".
 
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Congrats on getting healthy. Weight, whether its over or under, is a huge issue. While our society tends to celebrate the thin, its finding the healthy weight that is ideal. I know thin people who are actually very unhealthy and vice versa.

I know you state that you are the same person since the weight loss, but are you sure the attitude you give off is the same? I'm going to assume that since you've taken care of yourself, you are standing up straighter, smiling more, even more outgoing than previously. This confidence you are exuding is very attractive to men. Not just the fact that you are slimmer.

So continue on this healthy path and try not to turn this positive into a negative. It is self-destructive and unhealthy to yourself and your self esteem.

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Jacquesne wrote :
Looks are important for relationships. This isn't that complicated. What is the real difference between a girlfriend and a friend who's a girl? Typically it's because you don't think of your female friend "that way."

This is the same for women. I'm sure most women out there have guys they're friends with but aren't in a relationship with. What's the difference between them and relationship material?

I'll tell you what it's not. It's not their "inner beauty." Presumably you like your friends. You get along with them, your personalities mesh well, and you enjoy their company. Yet you still don't want to date them or sleep with them. That's purely physical.

What makes someone relationship material, for both men and women, is the combination of those physical and personal attributes that we are drawn to. If it's only the physical we like they're the "beautiful jerk/weirdo." If it's only the personal they're "just friends."

Both these things combine to be someone who's datable to us and then you have to factor in two other important aspects-reciprocity and environment. By reciprocity I mean they must feel the same way towards you for a relationship to begin and by environment I mean the situation must be appropriate (proximity, both people being single, same language, etc.).

The myth is that one matters more than the other. For a relationship this simply isn't true. Sure, the physical matters more in a purely physical encounter; one-night-stands involve two people and typically both genders. Women aren't judging the guy they want to sleep with and never see again based on his sparkling personality.

The physical is so important because it is the factor that takes something from otherwise being a friendship into a relationship.

Saying "looks are not what make you as a person" is like saying that you only have reason and not emotion. It's not true. People are a product of their appearance. We all at least partially define who we are by our appearance and the responses others have to that appearance.

These things do not exist alone. While it's convenient to think of it that way it's not accurate. Appearance is important because people say it is. And thus it's important, just as money has value because people believe it has value. Just because it's a social and biological construct doesn't make it any less real.

In fact it makes it more real. =)

Jacquesne
Great post and tons of insight from someone so young.

Recent studies have proven that it is not so much about looks as it as about attraction. I’ve experienced this myself as I have been “emotionally attracted” to people who weren’t really that physically attractive. Case in point: If every good looking woman seeks a youthful man with the body of Adonis why do some young women go bonkers over middle-aged guys who are balding with two spare tires?

Don’t get me wrong, looks do matter. Certain physical attributes have an instant affect on our physiology and our environment also influences what we pursue, but I think it boils down to “who can flip that switch in your brain that makes you say I’m in love (or lust) with this person.” The person who can answer that question with a chemical formula or write it in a book in such away that it enables us to control our own attraction instinct will be the wealthiest person on the planet.
 
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