Why is physical apperance such an issue


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The1Tomcat is offline The1Tomcat Post #101  June 17,2009, 4:21am
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You are such the jokester! Thanks for the good laugh.

One of the reasons is cultural. Larger bodies are believed to indicate better health/heartiness and, in particular, that one is not suffering from AIDS, which is killing thousands of people in some areas of Africa.
I can't help myself...

Intentional inflammatory remark... read only if you have any sense of humour.

Perhaps those people with larger bodies don't have aids because they're not as desirable to men over there and thus are not having sex with those who could give them aids?



On that note, I'm going to bed, 6:30am is late (early) enough for me, besides I'm three posts in this thread in a row, it's like I'm talking to myself now.
 
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wow... didn't know so many ppl would find my little rant interesting... for me it was a combination of lifestyle, genetics, and alot more deeper issues... I'm now fit healthy and within the accepted "standards" of not being labelled "fat" .... but my point is... I still have the same personality... that for so long many didn't want to know about... I apologize if i have offended anyone


You didn't offend anybody I don't think. But you say that your personality hasn't changed, but it probley has changed don't you think? You are now happier with your life, maybe you have a bounce in your step that you didn't have before and you take happiness in buying new clothes and your confidence in yourself is a lot higher than before. These things do change your personality! You have a better outlook on life and these things come through to create a somewhat different person.
 
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naw, i think you can see personality from across the room.
 
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Bandmate wrote :
of the fact that excessive consumption of food and lack of exercise causes obesity and that it's everything else under the sun...did you ever study Physics in school,if so what does it have to say about energy(calories) does energy have to have a source ? can energy be created from nothing ? The estimates are that about 3 % of the obese population can attribute even a small portion of their weight to any"medical condition"...have you ever wondered why it seems as if 100% claim memebership in that 3%
When did I ever suggest that excessive consumption of food and lack of exercise won't lead to overweight? I haven't. You are, however, greatly minimizing the complexity of the issue if you say that it's "just" a matter of "calories in/calories out."
 
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The1Tomcat wrote :
I can't help myself...

Intentional inflammatory remark... read only if you have any sense of humour.

Perhaps those people with larger bodies don't have aids because they're not as desirable to men over there and thus are not having sex with those who could give them aids?



On that note, I'm going to bed, 6:30am is late (early) enough for me, besides I'm three posts in this thread in a row, it's like I'm talking to myself now.
Nope! It's culturally viewed as attractive to have that booty.
 
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You expect that early human beings would notice on a large scale that women with smaller breasts, medium breasts, large breasts produce all kinds of different amounts of milk and different nutritional values? You think that humans throughout history until the more recent modern day kept records of any of this stuff? Perhaps taking an anthropology course will enlighten you as to how little we know of history by the simple fact that most of history was passed down verbally, and much of what was actually written has been destroyed by time, war, and various other factors. I think it's more than reasonable to think "Bigger boobs, more milk." The simple male mind equates "Bigger = More"

A bigger bag, carries more things.
A bigger bucket, carries more water.
A bigger breast, must have more milk.

If "contemporary" man as our respected poster NathanCM is referred to, believed that bigger breasts = more milk why would historic or pre-historic man think differently? And before you come back with an argument of "Society has taught him to think that way." May I point out that our learned friend NathanCM did not seem to know that bigger breasts didn't necessarily mean more milk. I highly doubt that society stuck that in his head. Perhaps society (being North American society) has put an emphasis on larger breasts = better (I blame Texas, where bigger is better hah) and perhaps our learned friend has been influenced by society towards that disposition but society has not told him that early man did or did not think that bigger breasts meant a better chance of successfully raising offspring. Thus you cannot state with any degree of certainty that men throughout the ages have not thought in the way described by NathanCM.

Of note, I actually prefer smaller breasted women to some extent. I'm happy with A or B cups generally, that is normally the size of breast that most of the women have who's overall body type I prefer. Perhaps I have broken the mold somewhat. That said, I am still attracted to larger breasts to some extent, which makes one wonder if there isn't something biological going on in my head.
ROTFLOL! Thank you. That was incredibly entertaining. And true.
 
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The research being referred to neardc are tests where infants were tested for the amount of time their gaze would linger on different faces and the length of time they stared at "attractive" faces was higher than the amount of time on less attractive faces. Ugly faces caused negative responses such as turning away or crying. These were newborns who had never even gone home with their parents yet. Still in the hospital....

....The ratio, which is actually based on the "golden ratio," is found throughout nature and was first analyzed by Greek philosophers (although other cultures noticed it as well but didn't work it out mathematically as far as I know). And there really isn't much in the way of variation between cultures. A woman could be 5'6", 200 lbs., and still maintain that ratio with enough muscle mass and exercise. It's not the weight that men are looking at. It's the shape. We have thousands of years of art from thousands of cultures which all confirm this basic "ideal" of beauty. It wasn't something the artists were taught at some global art school.....

....There are certainly aspects of attraction that are learned, this is true....There are, however, attraction mechanisms that are completely inborn. There are biological components to how we see the world.
Ah! I wasn't thinking of/referring to that research in the context of D_Lion's comment. Rather, the recognition of faces as faces over other shapes, which I thought he was referencing (he wasn't specific about the research). Yes; newborns look longer at an attractive face (you'll have to direct me to research that shows that newborns actually get upset when viewing an unattractive face; I don't see that). There are a number of different theories, though, as to what that actually means in terms of perception, learning, and information processing. It's also difficult, even at that very early stage, to differentiate between innate responses and learned preferences since learning is so immediate and so incredibly rapid.

I have no disagreement at all that components of attraction are biological and haven't said otherwise. However, there are significant aspects -- many of which people on these boards identify as primary for them -- that are learned and cultural. If the general framework for attraction is within us from the beginning, much of how the details get painted in is learned. So, if there is a general preference (for example) for faces that are more symmetrical, that still leaves room for a lot of variation as to what you or I or that guy over in the corner prefers (blue/brown eyes, oval/round eyes, full/thin lips, flat/round cheekbones, etc.). We aren't locked into preferring only one face. There are certainly differences across cultures in some of these preferences as well, even if a "homogenized" average face (which nobody on earth has) is universally viewed as attractive.

The same is true with body type, where in some cultures someone with ample proportions is viewed as most desireable, and in others someone more slender approximates the cultural ideal. The notion that the preferred proportions are exactly the same across cultures doesn't bear out; they do in fact vary (albeit all preferring a narrower waist than bust/chest or hips). Of course, even then, there is a significant range of body shapes that are viewed as attractive (e.g., both the toned and muscular athlete or slender ballerina and the voluptuous starlet), and certainly to which any individual may be attracted to. And, those preferences change over time, sometimes within a relatively short period of time (e.g. the slender "flapper" in the '20s, when well-endowed women bound their breasts to appear more flat, versus the 1950's pinup, when bullet bras emphasized the breast).

Since I've made my points on this many times now (and have a lot of work I need to get to), I'm going to let this be my last word on this (in this thread, anyway!).
 
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You expect that early human beings would notice on a large scale that women with smaller breasts, medium breasts, large breasts produce all kinds of different amounts of milk and different nutritional values? You think that humans throughout history until the more recent modern day kept records of any of this stuff? Perhaps taking an anthropology course will enlighten you as to how little we know of history by the simple fact that most of history was passed down verbally, and much of what was actually written has been destroyed by time, war, and various other factors. I think it's more than reasonable to think "Bigger boobs, more milk." The simple male mind equates "Bigger = More" [snipped for brevity....]
You're clearly missing my point. But, I agree that your response was very amusing.

(Uhhh... I've taken more than enough anthropology and other -- more relevant to this issue -- science courses, thanks...lol.)
 
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Ahhhh! Let's not suck the fun out of it all! Call me a hopeless romantic, but I for one would hate to limit my adventures in the realm of amore to only those that can be reliably reproduced in the laboratory. I would much rather take the innate responses that are produced within me when confronted with a yummy specimen, hold them close... and ponder them.

I can always hit them over the head with a rolling pin if the need should arise later!
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last12C wrote :
I can always hit them over the head with a rolling pin if the need should arise later!

That is when I can be even more elusive than when the Ladies are wanting to "talk."
 
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